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  •  How do you chip away (16+ / 0-)

    at the non-white voter gap, without completely collapsing the angry-white voter base? Xenophobia and white male privilege are the cornerstones of modern conservatism.

    After decades of defining the battle lines, how does the GOP throw it in reverse and still get their troops to show up and vote?

    Seems like a tough sell, even for the RW Noise Machine.

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    by Herodotus Prime on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 01:44:28 PM PST

    •  Obama '12 has proven that we don't need (11+ / 0-)

      To worry about the racist white male vote in order to win.

      The country has changed, and for the better.

      I like the fact that the Democrats are the Natural Governing Party thanks to immigration :)

      •  WE don't need to worry about AWM (5+ / 0-)

        but the GOP has a real problem because they do.
        It would take a very skillful walkback to get their base to swallow real immigration reform.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 02:14:02 PM PST

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        •  I think that Anger was always latent in some (2+ / 0-)
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          people, but in others it has been revved up. It seems to me that from 2008-2010, there was just a horrible anti-immigrant sentiment flooding the airwaves, comments sections, etc.

          There are some people who just believe what they here or see. If all they see of immigrants are people being arrested for drug crimes or any other negative stereotype then they will think about that group as "bad". If other things were emphasized, like family values, the work-ethic, respect for authority and the elderly, then people would think differently. Well, some people anyway.

          •  it's always been there (0+ / 0-)

            people were just not paying attention and personally, I have always seen the work-ethic, respect for authority and the elderly....wish I saw more of that in us who were born and raised here.

            mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

            by wewantthetruth on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:08:35 PM PST

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            •  The elderly in the U.S. are (0+ / 0-)

              well respected in society.  They get Medicare, SS benefits and pensions and have AARP fighting for them.  

              It is legal for them to discriminate in housing against people with children.  Those "retirement" communities, they call them. Grrrrr.

              It's us working stiffs that need some respect.

        •  Lindsay Graham said a while back... (0+ / 0-)

          ...that "we're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

          Graham knows that his party, the GOP, is dependent on the "Angry White Male" segment of the population, which is slowly decreasing as percentage of the national electorate, as its political base.

          Over the next several decades, the GOP will have to pull itself to the center in order to remain relevant on the national political stage, as ultra-conservatives will probably only be able to get elected in some pockets of the Deep South (such as Graham's home state of South Carolina) and Interior West a few decades from now.

          Friend of the Wisconsin Uprising from East Central Illinois! IL-15

          by DownstateDemocrat on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 02:42:31 PM PST

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    •  Victims of their success! The wars on women, (6+ / 0-)

      Blacks, homosexuals, Hispanics, workers, immigrants, people of religions that are not theirs, etc. have been so successful among their racist base that Republicans cannot put the genie back in the bottle.  Their base demands racism/xenophobia/hatred and since the base is all they have they will always play that card in the elections.

      They somehow thought that Cuban-Americans did not pay any attention to their campaign of hatred against all Hispanics (since local ads were always sure to attack Castro and pretend to be for Cuban-Americans), but Republicans forget that the inter-tubz carries their campaigns-o-hatred to everyone, even HIspanics like Cuban-Americans that had  overwhelmingly supported Republicans since Bay of Pigs.

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 02:14:34 PM PST

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      •  I concur (1+ / 0-)
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        they cooked their own gooses and people are more in tune to what is really going on than they could get away with before the explosion of social media, but I would not expect angry. old white guys to get any of this.

        the only change from'08 was how open and brazen they were. not sure what they saw that the rest of us did not but none of them can stand on their own due to the self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

        mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

        by wewantthetruth on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:12:07 PM PST

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      •  Comparing McCain during his reelection and what (1+ / 0-)
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        he is saying is amazing.  Do voters have such a short memory and the media just continues to prop him up with his reinvented views without showing what he said when he was catering to his base.

        Do not adjust your mind, there is a flaw in reality.

        by Shrew in Shrewsbury on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:09:20 PM PST

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    •  They don't have a reverse gear (2+ / 0-)
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      as we can plainly see.

      The complete collapse of the Republican Party is the only way that any change there will come about.

      I think that we will end up with two Parties: an economic conservative one, and a right-wing social consevative/racist party.

      (I use the word "conservative" loosely here)

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