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Historian Rick Perlstein, who is writing a sequel to his Before the Storm focusing on the Nixon years, passed this on:

Hunter S. Thompson, in the October 10, 1974 Rolling Stone: "But the climate of those years was so grim that half the Washington press corps spent more time worrying about having their telephones tapped than they did about riskign the wrath of Haldeman, Ehrlichman, and Colson by poking at the weak semas of a Mafia-style administration that began cannibalizing the whole government just as soon as it came into power. Nixon's capos were never subtle; they swaggered into Washington like a conquering army, and the climate of fear they engendered apparently neutralized The New York Times along with all the other pockets of potential resistance. Nixon had to do everything but fall on his own sword before anybody in the Washingotn socio-political establishment was willing to take him on."

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:47 PM PST.

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    •  Amen (none)
      We lost a great one.

      |>Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

      by The Graduate on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:48:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Gonzo? (4.00)
        Hell, at this point I miss Nixon.  

        Oh, for the good old days of just a paranoid, wiretapping criminal, instead of the egomaniac, torture-loving, Constitution-shredding, rapture-believing dumbass we currently have.

        "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 2160+ dead Americans. Jesus Christ, make it stop already.

        by Miss Blue on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:54:46 PM PST

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        •  Oh for the good old... (4.00)
          days for a president with an IQ above 90.  William J. Clinton - 182

          It is not our job to seek peaceful coexistence with the Left. Our job is to remove them from power permanently. Jack Abramoff in 1983

          by Caldonia on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:03:09 PM PST

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        •  A couple of Christmases ago... (4.00)
 a gag gift, I gave coworkers Richard Nixon coffee mugs.  (Bought 'em from the library.  Tucked a little card inside each mug that read: "Nothing captures the festive spirit of the Holidays better than the opportunity to pour scalding hot liquids onto Richard Nixon.")

          Everyone was properly amused.  Plus they were pretty good mugs.  But one guy looked at the mug, sighed and said, "Y'know, I'm really starting to miss that guy."

          I told him I knew exactly what he meant...

          "...the big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart." -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

          by Roddy McCorley on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:08:53 PM PST

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        •  You miss Nixon? (none)
          Right.... besides Watergate Nixon:

          • Escalated the Vietnam war to it's highest troop levels of about 536,000.

          • Secretly ordered the bombing of Laos and Cambodia, killing an estimated 600,000 people (mostly civilians).

          • Kent State - Ohio National Guard called in to quiet demonstrations and opened fire killing 4 students and wounding 9 others

          Sorry, I don't think Bush has quite reached Nixon's level, (But he is certainly trying. 3 more years - who knows?)
          •  Can't believe it myself, but I do. (4.00)
            Maybe it was to pacify or distract us, but he also 'gave' us OSHA and the Environmental Protection Act or at least took credit for them. Unlike Bush he was not totally wedded to the idea of rolling back every bit of progressive legislation that has been enacted since Roosevelt (Theodore).
            Bush would do what you've listed and worse, without a seconds hesitation, and it's completely due to chance he hasn't. As you say he's trying, and given even half an opportunity, he may well still 'succeed'.
            So I have to say, given equal circumstances, I'd far prefer Nixon, and believe me, I loathed Richard Nixon.
          •  BushII's achievements (4.00)
            The cesspool of BushII's achievements is shallow, but much wider than Nixon's. Given enough time for staying the course, I'm sure he'd take a run at beating Nixon's numbers
            Nixon gave us the EPA, BushII would trash it. Nixon opened relations with the largest populace on the planet; BushII won't open relations with over half of the USA.

            I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

            by labradog on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 07:42:11 PM PST

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          •  Nixon might be best President ever... (none)
            ...for Indian Country.  Actually spent "political capital" now and again for the benefit of our nation's indigenous population.

            He did bad stuff, but he also did some good stuff.  With Dubya, one is hard put to think of anything he's done which isn't gawd-awful.

            That's the difference.

        •  Before November 2004 (none)
          HST said that he would vote for Nixon in a heartbeat over the Dubya.  Hunter Thompson loathed  Nixon.

          "We will go to the moon, and do these other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard". President John F. Kennedy, 1962.

          by Ed in Montana on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 07:33:38 PM PST

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    •  Old Quote (4.00)
      Fear and Loathing, Campaign 2004

      Every GOP administration since 1952 has let the Military-Industrial Complex loot the Treasury and plunge the nation into debt on the excuse of a wartime economic emergency. Richard Nixon comes quickly to mind, along with Ronald Reagan and his ridiculous "trickle-down" theory of U.S. economic policy. If the Rich get Richer, the theory goes, before long their pots will overflow and somehow "trickle down" to the poor, who would rather eat scraps off the Bush family plates than eat nothing at all. Republicans have never approved of democracy, and they never will. It goes back to preindustrial America, when only white male property owners could vote.

      •  Same Link, Stronger Quote (4.00)
        Fear and Loathing, Campaign 2004

        Richard Nixon looks like a flaming liberal today, compared to a golem like George Bush.

        If Nixon were running for president today, he would be seen as a "liberal" candidate, and he would probably win. He was a crook and a bungler, but what the hell? Nixon was a barrel of laughs compared to this gang of thugs from the Halliburton petroleum organization who are running the White House today -- and who will be running it this time next year, if we (the once-proud, once-loved and widely respected "American people") don't rise up like wounded warriors and whack those lying petroleum pimps out of the White House on November 2nd.

        Hunter S. Thompson had a way with words.

      •  Remember Reagan's Stock Market Crash? (4.00)
        in October of 1987? The worst crash in the market's history? I was just writing about this, and wondering why, when repubs talk about the terrific tax cuts and how they helped the trickle-down economy in Reagan's years, and how good they are for us, no one talks about what Reagan's tax cut economy did to the markets. That durn liberal media, you know??

        We had just bought a condo in NY in April 1987 for 65K; after Reagan's Stock Market Crash, it was worth 19K and took fifteen years to recover its value.

        Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

        by adigal on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 07:08:48 PM PST

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  •  Cushy Bushy? (none)
    ok..not as good as tricky dick
  •  its quite obvious (none)
    chimpy is Simple Simeon.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:46:55 PM PST

  •  BREAKING! (4.00)
    White House West Wing being turned into prison wing so staff can continue working from jail!

    - Headline on "World News" or one of those tabloids - with a photo of Rove behind bars.....

    Remember what "K" in "Men in Black" said about the tabloids......

  •  I think W has fallen on his sword! (none)
    Well put Hunter.
  •  John Dean called all of this (4.00)
    in his book "Worse than Watergate" published before the 04 elections if memory serves me right
    •  If Anyone Would Know, John Dean Would! (none)
      About Nixon, that is, and Watergate.

      And whether George Bush is worse than Nixon was.

      Speaking of which, last night on a comment thread, someone else far more clever than I wrote that

      W Stands For Worse (Than Nixon)!

      I call George Bush

      THE Worst (President Ever)!

  •  I like this a lot... (none)
    although I think that Bush is worse than Nixon because Nixon at least controlled his mob... Bush's mob has run loose and he doesn't have the brianpower to even understand what a mess they've made of everything.  They make sure his blinders stay on tight.

    The end is near for those who wait.

    by tc59 on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:51:01 PM PST

    •  Bush's Mob (4.00)
      Nixon was a leader. He was capable of understanding subtle and complex issues. He had a number of people working for him, but he was the one calling the shots. He was intelligent and articulate. Listen to the 1960 debates with Kennedy, and you would be amazed at the level of discourse back then.

      Bush is not a leader. His "mob" put him in power, so they could control government with him as a figurehead. He has no original ideas except nominating Myers to the Supreme Court. Wait, I take that back, that was Harriet's idea. Bush is the most inarticulate leader we have ever had.

      Both men practice(d) deciept on the nation, and arrogantly abused power. At least Nixon knew when to resign.

      A President in his own league. The Bush League!

      by Tuba Les on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:25:54 PM PST

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      •  And this president (none)
        will NEVER resign.  Ever. Nixon thought about surrounding the White House with the 82nd Airborne & resisting his constitutional removal from office.  THOUGHT about it. But unlike our present leader, Nixon was surrounded with people that, while criminal, were of relatively sound mind & knew when they were beaten.
  •  Nixon (4.00)
    had a brain. A corrupt,crooked brain,but a brain nonetheless.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:52:59 PM PST

  •  Bush is the Old Nixon (none)
    The lying, cheating, fascistic, power hungry, paranoid, war mongering, secretive, spying, l'etat c'est moi, Nixxon.

    But I repeat myself.

    Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

    by willyr on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:53:19 PM PST

  •  Interesting How History Repeats Itself (none)
    In the drumbeat of lies that led us into the quagmire that is Iraq, the NYT completely succumbed to the Bush administration and allowed Judith Miller's poorly or not-at-all supported articles on the front pages of its newspaper.

    Behind the administration, the NYT and other major newspapers are second in responsibility, or at least tied with Congress, for the loss of innocent life in Iraq and the tremendous blowback that will surely follow this administration's imperial ambitions in Iraq.

    Democracy depends on informed activism.

    by Juan Pablo on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:55:13 PM PST

  •  On the ? of whether NSA wiretapped reporters (none)
    Of course they tapped reporters!!!

    I have no direct evidence, but it follows from a pattern of behavior that these intelligence agencies have engaged in over the years. Such patterns of behavior are allowed into evidence in criminal trials, so I am more than allowed -- oh DKos evidence police -- to make the claim I do here (provided I give my reasons accordingly). If anyone wants documentary proof of the above, they can go here: (it's a Sy Hersh column from The New Yorker) from 6/05)

    Besides, look carefully at the quotes above, and Risen's equivocation:

    Mitchell: Do you have any information about reporters being swept up in this net?

    Risen: No, I don't. It's not clear to me.

    No means no. "It's not clear" means, I have some information but I either can't state it, or I can't yet be absolutely certain how to interpret it.

    " this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

    by Valtin on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:55:23 PM PST

  •  We should be so lucky (4.00)
    Nixon launched the EPA--Bush is gutting it. Nixo inststuted wage and price controls. Bush is a reverse Robin Hood. Bush starts wars--Nixon tried, however lackadaiscally, to end one.

    If Nixon were around today, he'd be considered one hell of a "moderate" rethug, probably a shade or so left of McCain.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:55:27 PM PST

    •  Nixon (none)
      also displayed some progress on the diplomatic front(China).

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:58:31 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  A *VERY* shady shade (none)
      Nixxon was a crook, a liar and a war monger, his protestations notwithstanding.

      The EPA was created by a Democratic Congress. Not by Nixon. He should get no credit for the ink that came out of his pen when that bill was signed.

      Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

      by willyr on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:09:52 PM PST

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      •  Nixon created the EPA (none)
        Believe it or not. After the first earth day, polls showed that large amounts of people were becoming concerned about environmental issues, and Nixon saw a new issue that he could tap into. The idea was to seize this new political territory, and make it a Republican one. Nixon himself knew little about environmentalism, so he had one of his advisors, John Ehrlichman, set policy. John Ehrlichman was a genuine environmentalist, so EPA policy was really damn good those first few years.

        All of this comes from the book "Nixon: Alone in the White House." Anybody who assumes Nixon was a conservative in the mold of Bush should check it out, if they have an interest. You'll be pleasantly surprised at how different the scheming 'ol bastard was from modern conservatives.

  •  Question I have: If the NYTimes had the info, (none)
    had the scoop, why would they need PERMISSION from the White House to print it?  How does that work?  Did their source ask them to hold the info for awhile?  Did the WH talk to them directly?  
  •  Didn't Nixon say something like this? (none)
    Too bad the legislative branch is now moot, null and void, caput, with the judicial branch soon to follow with Bush's SCOTUS plants.

    I don't know if Nixon even went this far as to outlaw, override, make null and void the legislative branch:

    ''The executive branch shall construe [the law] in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President . . . as Commander in Chief," Bush wrote, adding that this approach ''will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President . . . of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks."

    Cheney's lies/ distractions from the fact that they could have done ALL their surveillance WITHIN the law are utterly cynical... they, like Nixon, just thought they had the "inherent" power to be man-Gods and/or kings.  

    Lies and distractions, smoke and mirrors Cheney-style:

    "But he said "America has been protected not by luck but by sensible policy decisions by decisive action at home and abroad and by round-the-clock efforts on the part of people in law enforcement, intelligence, the military, and homeland security."

    Lies, coulda used FISA Dick with retroactively approved wiretaps, especially on terrorists calling in.  Lies:

    "He [Bush] has made clear from the outset, both publicly and privately, that our duty to uphold the law of the land admits no exceptions in wartime," Cheney said.

    Thanks for the diary.

  •  All news (none)
    must be vetted through turdblossem.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 04:59:12 PM PST

  •  So much cowardice... (none)
    It intrigues me how much the press has been kowed in the last 5 years.  I understand that in Iraq they're getting killed in droves, but are members of the press that afraid of BushCo?  Where are the principled voices in America?  Do any exist anymore?

    It is incredible to me to see so much cowardice.  So many people are behaving like abused children, rather than grown-ups who can handle themselves.  All this chest-thumping and then cowering because of the possibility of a bus bomb or confuses me.  The only thing I can think of is that people in the position to know are allowing BushCo to get away with his shit because they know he's willing to whack a city - look at New Orleans - and they don't want it to be theirs...

    •  You want to see cowardice? (none)
      Look at how they treat Helen Thomas.  The big, bad war-mongers are afraid of a 3'10", 97-year old woman.  Me, I love her!

      "Don't blame me, I voted for the smart guy."

      by frsbdg on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 07:29:46 PM PST

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      •  me too! got to ask her a question once (none)
        when she was a guest on (i think) it was bernie ward on kgo...

        to tell you the truth, i was so WOW'd that i don't even remember what i ASKED her - all i remember is this warm glow of being able to SPEAK to the legend!

        i don't get wow'd easily, btw - the last one that did that for me was Kitty Carlyle - when i was just starting out as a make-up artist. froze when i saw her... couldn't remember what to do... she started to get irritated, when i blurted out " oh, ms. carlyle, i've watched you all my LIFE and i can't BELIEVE i'm here making you UP! i am AWESTRUCK!"

        she was the gracious lady i expected, warmly took my hand and said to the terrified 28 year old, "you are so SWEET!"  - after that, i did a pretty damned good job! (if i DO say so myself!)

        helen thomas!  wow!  i was totally WHELMED!

    •  Now I'm worried about Jon Stewart (none)
      He seems like the most heroic figure in the media these days. Even if it's a 'fake' news show
  •  Nixon was better (none)
    No, seriously. EPA and China all considered - Nixon was better.

    I re-did my website! See how pretty is now.

    by OrangeClouds115 on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:02:21 PM PST

  •  It is a truth universally acknowledged, (4.00)
    that a President in possession of a good wiretap team must be in want of a prison term.
  •  Imagine how fucking dpressing (4.00)
    it was for him to see it come again. And what that depression did to him. Before the huge American flag with a shotgun.

    You didn't do it.

    by Earl on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:04:22 PM PST

  •  What Would He Have to Say About Dumbya's Funeral? (4.00)
    If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin. - Hunter S. Thompson

    None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. - Goethe

    by Necons Will Ban Me on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:06:02 PM PST

    •  During Nixon's funeral, (4.00)
      I remember yelling at the TV because of the wretched deification of him.  I hardly recognized the "saint" they were honoring.  My child, a teenager at the time, was rather appalled at my response to this dignified, somber occasion.  "Gee Mom, he couldn't have been that bad?"  Me:  "Oh yes he was, honey.  Now let's sit down and have a little history lesson.  Go get two beers."  :)

      It is not our job to seek peaceful coexistence with the Left. Our job is to remove them from power permanently. Jack Abramoff in 1983

      by Caldonia on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:30:01 PM PST

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  •  OR.. (4.00)
    Rice=Pat Nixon
    Miers=G.Harrold Carswell
    Alito=Clement Haynsworth
    Pat Buchanan=Pat Buchanan
    G. Gordon Liddy=G.Gordon Liddy
    Ollie North=Ollie North
    Robert Novak=Robert Novak
    Bob Woodward= Monica Lewinsky
    Dan Schorr=Dan Schorr

    Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

    by willyr on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:06:12 PM PST

  •  For those of us who (4.00)
    lived through Nixon, we never dreamed it could get worse.  It did.

    It is not our job to seek peaceful coexistence with the Left. Our job is to remove them from power permanently. Jack Abramoff in 1983

    by Caldonia on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:06:20 PM PST

  •  Boy, (4.00)
    King Kos is really on a roll!

    what # is this of front page dairies by KOS today?

    I wish my mind worked so quickly!

    I've been stuck for the last 4 hours on one news item I cant get out of my head since I saw the news flash on NYT:  The SCOTUS decision on Padilla.

  •  a whole (none)
    lot worse.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:11:31 PM PST

  •  Back in high school... (4.00)
    ..lo those many years ago, I did an extensive report on the Nixon White House, specifically the Watergate investigation and its aftermath.  At the time, I thought it would have been fascinating to live through those times to see how American democracy and society coped with a president who ignored the limits placed on him by the Constitution, and who was little more than a sad, insecure thug.

    File this in the "be careful what you wish for" box.


    You can never ask too many questions.

    by socratic on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:14:47 PM PST

    •  From one who was there (4.00)
      the biggest difference is that we didn't have the internet and blogs like this to give us interesting tidbits or pithy analysis.  We had the newspapers and three tv networks.  There was no Bill Maher, no John Stewart.  Oh, there was Rowan & Martin's Laugh In, though.

      I think we all read a lot more then.  Newsweek & Time were better back then. Not the glossy celebrity-sucking tabloids they are now.

      The end is near for those who wait.

      by tc59 on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:14:32 PM PST

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      •  Plus, the hearings were televised, and THAT (none)
        was riviting television!

        I long to see these current vipers turn on each other and break ranks to save their already damned souls, televised for the whole world to see.  As Asshat in chief would say...Bring it on!

        Nothing short of an aroused public can change things, nothing less than democracy is at stake- Bill Moyers

        by maggiemae on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:54:52 PM PST

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  •  Of Course Bush is Exponentially Worse (4.00)
    And far too sinister for some of the kitschy objects like the Nixon masks or Nixon bongs.

    "No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it."- Franz Kafka, "Before the Law"

    by normal family on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:15:30 PM PST

  •  We're screwed! (none)
    Bush is beyond Nixon, another dictator comes to mind...

    2006 Voter Fraud and terror alerts?

    Recess appointments
    Robert D. Lenhard, of Maryland, to be a Member of the Federal Election
    Steven T. Walther, of Nevada, to be a Member of the Federal Election
    Hans Von Spakovsky, of Georgia, to be a Member of the Federal Election

    George and Jeb can pardon Jack. Pray some other state and country file charges against Abribeoff.

  •  Bush Post Presidency (none)
    He will sound like even more of a dumbass than he does now. No handlers coaching him. No need to have any briefings on current events. We might have to wait three years for it, but it will be quite the sight.
    •  we'll get him out of office before then. (4.00)
      We've just got to. We have to take 1 branch of Congress, investigate, and impeach.

      Bush Wants Absolute Power To Run A War He Lied To Start.

      by bejammin075 on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:22:15 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  we may not HAVE to... (none)
        have you seriously looked at his skin tone since the first of jan?

        he is palid, his lips are bluish, he is gaunt - he looks like HELL - well, he has ALWAYS looked like hell, so scratch that - he looks VERY ill - his body language and his whole demeanor is that of an old man...

        he has gotten very grey - something is not right with this man's health...

  •  I love this one (none)
    Must go fetch that "throw dead rats over the WH wall" quote from the good Doctor.

    Thanks, kos, you cheered me up !

    Ron Suskind is a great writer. I'm not him.

    by suskind on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:25:03 PM PST

    •  From the Good Doctor (4.00)
      Image hosted by

      "There are a hundred or more people wandering around Washington today who have heard the 'real stuff,' as they put it - and despite their professional caution when the obvious question arises, there is one reaction they all feel free to agree on: that nobody who felt shocked, depressed or angry after reading the edited White House transcripts should ever be allowed to hear the actual tapes, except under heavy sedation or locked in the trunk of a car. Only a terminal cynic, they say, can listen for any length of time to the real stuff without feeling a compulsion to do something like drive down to the White House and throw a bag of live rats over the fence."
      - Hunter S. Thompson, 04 July 1973

      Ron Suskind is a great writer. I'm not him.

      by suskind on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:33:21 PM PST

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  •  30 years later (4.00)
    HST said that if Nixon ran for Prez in '04, he'd be considered a liberal next to Bush and would win.

    Man, was he right.

    Btw, part 7 of my 2005 in Review is up, if anyone cares.


    Defending bad taste and liberalism since 2005.

    by jurassicpork on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:25:51 PM PST

  •  Nixon Now!! (4.00)
    Knowing what we now know about Nixon, Agnew, Bush & Cheney:

    I would take Richard Nixon in a hearbeat over this malignant piece of shit, currently occupying the White House.

    Fuck, I would take Agnew over Cheney any day of the week, as well!

  •  "Nixonian" (4.00)
    The very definition in the common usage of the term "Nixonian" is an inability to distinguish one's political security from national security.  To oppose the war in Iraq is not to oppose the U.S. Military or "The United States".  It is to oppose the policy of the current political leadership.  We have a system of government that not only protects political opposition, but only functions when there is rigorous political opposition.  That is what keeps us from doing stupid things.  But the "Nixonian" government, views dissent as treason, subversive and therefore a justifiable target of wiretaps.  The term Nixonian has been applied to this government for good reason.

    Those who have spoken out against this government's policies must surely be aware of the potential consequences.  The NSA has impressive information gathering tools.  No one who participates in any sort of public forum should be naive enough to believe that they are granted any sort of real anonymity or not subject to some sort of probing.  So, when you throw around the word "Nixonian" you expect this sort of behavior.  The degree of overt spying on US citizens, things that have already popped up in the media is enough to let you know that there is a lot more below the surface.

    This is why this is such a dangerous thing.  When you realize that there were no impediments to getting legitimate authorization in the legal process it is clear that the reason that they needed to go around it is because they wanted to use the NSA for "Nixonian" purposes.  That is to blur the line between national security concerns and policy differences.  This goes to the heart of the purpose of our constitutional form of government and was the basic underlying reason that RIchard Nixon was removed from office.

  •  So, kos, (none)
    where are the Hunter S. Thompsons of the blogosphere?  If anywhere, they should be here on your front page, but I don't see them.

    Perhaps some mighty victory is growing in you now. - Mike Finley

    by hrh on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:31:12 PM PST

  •  these criminals MUST be hauled out (4.00)
    of their lairs and made to face justice once and for all.  it is imperative to the survival of our nation that these criminals be removed from office and '06 appears to be our final chance.
    •  it's not our "final chance" (none)
      The big honchos will die off soon and the young honchos, brought up in reality-free zones, don't have the balls to stand up to us.  

      Gotta love Darwinism.

      Perhaps some mighty victory is growing in you now. - Mike Finley

      by hrh on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:58:15 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  and why wouldn't they have the balls (none)
        to stand up to us?

        They siphon billions of $$ through all of the corrupt schemes, to finance the control of the media, presidency, congress, judicial branch, etc, etc. And we're going to type furiously at them. So far, it's been like what -can't think of the name- said: We'll study what they do, while they change the reality. Pretty soon the new reality is liberals are the new Jews.

        And they know where you live.

        Bush Wants Absolute Power To Run A War He Lied To Start.

        by bejammin075 on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:33:30 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  here's the secret (none)
          They're not "changing the reality".  They're pretending that the reality doesn't exist.  This is their hubris and their downfall.

          Example: the press conference during Katrina in the airplane hangar, featuring Bush and Brownie with their sleeves rolled up, looking determined and poking their fingers at a map.  It looked good, but nothing got done.  It was a total fraud.  

          There are a whole lot of people who realize this and they're VERY angry.

          As for liberals being "the new Jews", OK, dude, that's fine with me, bring the fuckers on!  I'd love to see them try to exterminate me.

          Perhaps some mighty victory is growing in you now. - Mike Finley

          by hrh on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:55:31 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  But.... (none)
            the reality is also that there are 10's of thousands of dead Iraqis, & a coupld thousand dead Americans, because Bush successfully got his war going. There is the whole voting machine technology thing (yes, I'm a fraudster!), as part of the fabric of our reality. And all those dufflebags of billions in cash that dissappeard in Iraq, along with the numerous other money laundering schemes (I'm sure the Abramoff thing only scratches the surface, and new schemes will take their places) that finance the corrupt system. I just don't know if we can staighten out all these things on time before we're totally fucked. I agree with the original post in this thread, that 2006 seems like a last chance. If the Repubs have a lockdown on investigations in 2007 and 2008 (because of retaining majorities), than 2008 election looks grim.

            I guess I'm more pessimistic, but we'll just all have to continue to work tirelessly for the best, expose the truth, and hopefully get our democracy back in shape. We've got a shitload of work to do.

            Bush Wants Absolute Power To Run A War He Lied To Start.

            by bejammin075 on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 08:44:34 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I agree with you (none)
              particularly about the dufflebags of cash - where is Bernard Kerik now and what is he doing? - but what I'm saying is that we should stop worrying about any sort of time schedule.  Justice is not going to happen fast.  It never does.  

              We have to relax and keep doing what we're doing and not get frantic about some sort of outcome.

              Perhaps some mighty victory is growing in you now. - Mike Finley

              by hrh on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 09:07:06 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  Speaking of History Repeating Itself.... (none)
    Check this clip from Air America that is a Nixon speech on Vietnam. It mirrors Bush's Iraq speeches to a T. In fact, Air America substitutes George Bush saying "Iraq" every time Nixon says "Vietnam".

  •  Bush and Nixon (none)
    I agree completely.  In fact, I have suggested before that Bush should look in the example of Nixon and act accordingly.
  •  Hey, I agree but USC just scored! (none)
    My alma mater will hopefully kick Bush's Texas team asses. Would be a great symbolic victory.

    I am pro-life. Bring our troops home ALIVE!

    by Doc Allen on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:45:46 PM PST

  •  HI! I'm Newt Gingrich... (4.00)
    I'm running for President of the United States, and I'm asking for your vote. I promise to bring in a new era of acceptable levels of corruption. I'm Newt Gingrich, and I approve this message.

    Bush Wants Absolute Power To Run A War He Lied To Start.

    by bejammin075 on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:52:11 PM PST

  •  JUST LIKE Old Times... (4.00)
    "The National Security Agency acted on its own authority, without a formal directive from President Bush, to expand its domestic surveillance operations in the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to declassified documents released Tuesday.

    The N.S.A. operation prompted questions from a leading Democrat, Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, who said in an Oct. 11, 2001, letter to a top intelligence official that she was concerned about the agency's legal authority to expand its domestic operations, the documents showed.

    Ms. Pelosi's letter, which was declassified at her request, showed much earlier concerns among lawmakers about the agency's domestic surveillance operations than had been previously known. Similar objections were expressed by Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, Democrat of West Virginia, in a secret letter to Vice President Dick Cheney nearly two years later."

    hmmm, how many times now have we seen this pattern of abuse?

    face it, folks. we've got a whole slew of "black" federal agencies.. to the tune of around $60 Billion per year in funding.. of course they are spying on harmless Americans.

    "Apparently, the person had been killed by a falling graveyard." Steve Coll The New Yorker

    by Superpole on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:57:09 PM PST

    •  And they probably don't have dumb-fucks (none)
      like Mike Brown running these. They put the Mike Brown types in the front, to do as little as possible while masking it with PR and whitewash, so that the money can go elsewhere, while the smart guys are running the programs with the cool toys.

      Bush Wants Absolute Power To Run A War He Lied To Start.

      by bejammin075 on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:40:29 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  As someone who survived Nixon... (4.00)
    Bush (and his advisors) make Nixon look like Tom Paine.  I'm not saying that Nixon wouldn't have gone where Bush is going but:  a) I don't think the pre-conditions were quite ripe for the direction Bush has taken the country - pre-9/11, etc.; b) I don't think the press had been so thoroughly subverted by the Josef Goebbels play-book of KKKarl Rove; and c) there was, I think, a Democratic Congress composed, at least in part, of thinking, articulate and effectual voices...this was before lucite had been discovered and politicians of all stripes embraced Total Body Lamination as a way of life.

    "We're all working for the Pharoah" - Richard Thompson

    by mayan on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 05:58:52 PM PST

  •  These Times Are More Like... (4.00)
    Joe McCarthy and George Lincoln Rockwell banded together and won (or stole) the presidential election; Roy Cohn was appointed Attorney General and the John Birch Society Weekly Picayune has become the paper of record.  In fact, the closest I can come to these times is:  Bizarro world from Superman - "me smart; me want to be president and king" or maybe Red Harvest by Dashiell Hammett, where the thugs take over the government of Poisonville.

    "We're all working for the Pharoah" - Richard Thompson

    by mayan on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:04:18 PM PST

  •  Bush is wired at his news conferences (none)
    Does everybody know this already?  And if so, why isn't it front page headlines?  He is obviously wired.  Listen to his answers; he hears somebody tell him what to say and sometimes he gets the whole snippet (usually a sound bite sentence) and sometimes he only gets part of it, and then he must begin a whole other one.  This back and forth is difficult at times and when he is tripped up it is obvious.  And that is also why there are those long, long pauses.  He is not thinking during those pauses, he is listening.
    •  I Believe This to Be True (none)
      I am hearing impaired and so wear hearing aids.  I was also an actor.  

      I've gotten very good at reading other people's faces and picking out people who hear well or not.

      Bush is definitely doing what I call listening in during press conferences when he has Q&A sessions.

      I think he wears a CIC (completely in canal) earpiece.  I think it's usually in his right ear (he cocks his head that way when he listens in).

      He is rarely photographed in profile and never in close profile which is when you'd be able to see a CIC.

      He's gotten quite good at hearing the next bite while saying the first part of a phrase or sentence.  But he still has gaps in the middle of very long phrases or sentences.  He uses his "uhhhh" to stall for time, as well.

      When he's listening in he will look down and slightly to the side which holds the ear carrying the earpiece, as well.  Or he will look straight down onto the podium, grasping both sides of it, as though he is scanning a card or note but I think, in fact, that he's listening in.

      CIC's are very hard to see.

      For instance, Clinton has CIC's in both ears due to a hearing loss.  Early on he used to fiddle a lot with one because it kept popping out on him.  That has happened to me.  He got refitted however and now you can't tell he's wearing hearing aids, even when he's photographed from a distance in profile.

      •  Rose Garden footage. (4.00)
        There is footage on the White House's official site that features Bush speaking to Chirac in the Rose Garden regarding something or other.

        If you turn the volume up you can hear a strange and unidentified voice speak Bush's lines almost identically before Bush does.  

        The voice speaks. Bush pauses for a moment (presumably to let it register). Bush gives his line.  

        The lines were not word for word exact. Bush would add inflections and entire words that were not in the preceding voice.

        The White House explanation is that it is a technical glitch with the video file that threw some of Bush's sound out of sync.


        •  then again, there is always the (none)
          infamous "bulge" from the debates - the one that matches the visible "box" from crawford...

          besides, either he is hearing "voices" that are piped in or he is hearing "voices" that aren't real - i HOPE it is the former!

          his "WAIT A MINUTE" comments are always out of context to the conversation at hand... the petulant boy who is yelling at his coaches...


          i never thought i'd pray for serious illness, but those blue lips and gaunt pallid skintones give rise to hope, in this case anyway.

          now to hope for a pacemaker recall....not delivered in time!

        •  It's not the video... (none)
          ....I was looking for, but it does feature Chirac and a phantom voice. Only this time the voice is apparantly broadcasting audibly in the room Bush is giving his address from. Whoopsie!
  •  Before everyone misses Tricky Dick (4.00)
    Remember it is he Not Reagan that created the Republican Party we have by getting the racists Southern Dems to switch parties.
    He also spawned Rummy & Cheney and it was as a teen that Bill Kristol cut his teeth campaigning for  Agnew.
    It was also during his administration that the neo cons got on board the Repugs
  •  Bush re-election killed HST (4.00)
    I'm convinced of it. Thompson spent his life writing satirical pieces that lampooned those who Deserved It. When somehow Bush got re-elected I think it was too much for the good Doctor to bear. What a sorry state of affairs we're in. Thompson must have been in incredible pain and suffering because normally he just would have loaded up on painkillers and kept hammering on his typewriter.

    A pessimist sees a glass half empty. I see a paper cup with holes punched in it.

    by Paper Cup on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:17:44 PM PST

  •  Nixon v Bush (4.00)
    All of the scurrilous things said about Nixon are true, but Bush is still far worse and much more dangerous.  

    Nixon would have never had the gall to get up and say have committed felonies, I am the president, and there is nothing you can do about it.  Bush did that, and doesn't really care what the response is.  

    Bush cackled about the upcoming execution of Karla Fay Tucker as if this death were an amusement for his delight.  Nixon at least had enough conscience and awareness to show some decorum.

    Nixon may have run around the Constitution, but he did not overtly try to destroy it.  He did not attempt to change our form of government into a dictatorship or theocracy.  Nixon did admire Barbara Bush though, "He never knew anyone who could hate so deeply or so well."

    The media was not as quiescent as Thompson makes out, and it was certainly not as muzzled as today.

    I would rather deal with a Nixon than Bush43.  

  •  Fuck the press (none)
    then and now, gutless cowards, it takes the grassroots to take on the fascist admins like Bushco and Tricko then and only then does the press get enough courage to do their job, free press my ass.
  •  There's a reason why.... (none)
    ....Mike Malloy calls this Administration the Bush Crime Family.
  •  I was a young mother at the time of (none)
    Nixon's impeachment and I didn't understand much about what had happened at first.  All I really got to know during that time that Nixon was lying and stonewalling.  It was later when everybody wrote their tell alls that one really got a sense of what had really happened.  But the congress took it upon themselves to make sure that the hubris and paranoia of the executive branch was brought out in the open.  I cannot see the current bunch of folks doing that as yet.  I have hopes that the need for transparency in government becomes apparent to everybody with the Abramoff scandals, but there is way too much posturing and defensiveness for even a modicum of common sense to exert itself in DC within the "ruling" party.  Having obtained the prize, they now are loathe to show what they have done with it.
  •  Funny thing but (none)
    I had some bumper stickers made up in 2003 that said: Bush '04 = Nixon '72. Nobody wanted them.
    Read a thread last night talking about the "New Democrat."  Loved that idea.  It was in reference to the idea that the Democrats no longer, play the Republican game.  Succumbing to the term "bleeding liberal" as if admitting it were some sort of crime.  The New Democrat is unashamed, he is not a "leftist," or a "tree hugger," he is a party man, with all the loyalty that used to imply.  But he is GRASSROOTS loyal.  That the DailyKOS and MOVE have inspired fear in the far right, and among the party movers and shakers, only proves that the tide is turning.  We have the voice we lost--now we need the money!  Viva La Nuevo Democrato!
  •  Deja Vu (none)
    Funny, but when I read William Safire's quiz ( - I wanted to tack on one final question: #15) And when (oops, I mean if) Bush's approval doesn't rise, historians will begin to equate his era with that of: __ (multiple choice need not apply, as it seems obvious that only one name can fill this blank).  Coincidentally, I went to grade school and high school with a girl who later went on to work for Nixon and write about her experience (if I'm recalling this correctly, it was at William Safire's urging -- he said something to the effect that when, 'Nixon spoke to/thru her, he knew he was speaking to history').  Although Monica and I were not friends growing up, we became acquaintances as adults when she began dating a guy friend of mine (also from our Jersey home town).  The first time I chatted with her was shortly after Nixon's death in the spring of '94, as we had made arrangements for me to fill-in for her (answering phones at our mutual guy friend's computer company) so that she could attend his funeral.  Over the years, during the 90s (up until we lost contact), I would periodically sit in for her while she went on her various book tours - once answering the phone to hear Henry Kissinger's secretary on the other end, calling while she was out (he had agreed to be interviewed for the dissertation she was writing).  Needless to say, it was a surreal experience to listen to her cache of personal anecdotes, first hand, about the time she spent with Nixon.  

    "Would that heaven might inspire some Jersey maid to spirit up her countrymen, and save her fair fellow sufferers from ravage and ravishment!" ~ Thomas Paine

    by eluminata on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 07:55:16 PM PST

  •  Thanks to Kos references,... (none)
    I'm in the process of reading Perlstein's Goldwater book. It's not only fascinating, it's also a great job of writing and story-telling.

    The thing I'm most struck by, however, is how pseudo-conservative Bush is so far getting away with selling out another plank of the conservative foundation, this one being the all-important issue of national defense.

    In those anti-Communist times, Goldwater and his followers hated Ike and then Kennedy because of their caution they allowed for the devastation that would come with nuclear war, which resulted in missile control negotiations and other diplomatic dealings with the Soviets. To those true conservatives of that day, they saw the risk of war -- even nuclear -- as preferable to any appeasement which would impinge on freedom, liberty and other American core principles.

    Contrast that with Bush, who has gone 180 degrees in the other direction. Based on any whiff of a possibility of nuclear or other WMD threats that could harm Americans, he's willing to sell the farm on the Constitution and ultimately the rule of law as the bedrock of our government. In 2006, an overwhelming fear of death by Americans is the tool that is allowing for the pillaging of America's freedoms.

    Goldwater = willing to risk nuclear war to defend American principles
    Bush = willing to sell out American principles at just the mention of a WMD threat

    Just one more reason why the true conservative right is increasingly likely to support calls for action to stop Bush.

    The Republican Party: Reinventing government, the same way they reinvented New Orleans

    by QuestionableSanity on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 08:53:41 PM PST

  •  i had a most fascinating (none)
    conversation in 1981 when on my first trip to ca...

    i toured down south - stopped in dana point beach campground for the night.  met the former sheriff of san clemente and his brother - we talked for hours about the nixon years.

    he described nixon as an amazing man when it came to remembering people, not just the ones in front of them but he would ask about their wives and children by name and remember a great deal of personal information about them.  BUT, the sheriff said he was a true paranoid... and in being so, attracted every nutcase you could imagine!

    he told stories of having to meet the bus every weekend to remove the "crazies" that were attracted to him - women who wanted to "marry" him, women who wanted to "kill" him...

    but the one story that put nixon in perspective for me was this one.

    the office received a call of a man with a gun  sitting on the grass in the land surrounding the san clemente "white house"... they arrived to find a man sitting on the dunes as described, but as he only had a rifle and was on public lands, they could not arrest him, so they began talking to him.  he was a professor from somewhere in the midwest and after a long conversation, he confessed he had come there to kill nixon.  said he had him in his sights, too!

    the startled sheriff and officers asked him to show them where - and he led them down a path to the beach where a single set of footprints led to the beach behind the house with a full view - and a single set of footprints returning.

    the man was hustled off to a mental institution, the incident was covered up since, according to the sheriff, this was TOO close to the kennedy assassination and people wanted to keep this out of the press for fear of copycats.

    the NEXT day, the san clemente ranch had the multimillion dollar security system installed on the beach side of san clemente - and those of us on the left screamed at the top of our lungs (i was one of them) He's PARANOID!!! he's WASTING MONEY!!! - little did we know then WHY that system was so hastily installed!

    from a blurb about herb block's cartoon on nixon is this "criticism"

    "Move over - We can't stay in a holding pattern forever"

    Before the Watergate case, Herb Block had noted other Richard Nixon scandals. These concerned reports of improper influence by ITT Corp. on the location of the future Republican National Convention; Nixon's fluctuating decisions on milk price supports that amounted to a shakedown for campaign funds; and pressures on other businesses to meet quota "suggestions" on contributions. There were disclosures of taxpayer money spent to fix up Nixon's homes in Key Biscayne and San Clemente. Nixon also took large backdated tax deductions for the gift of his vice-presidential papers, which even included newspaper clippings.

    "Move over - We can't stay in a holding pattern forever," July 29, 1973

    now i'm not making excuses for the man -  i LOATHED him from the first time i ever saw him.  i was 16 and he drove through charlotte in a motorcaade.  i looked at him and screamed "NIXON" in a voice filled with loathing!  his head snapped around and sought out who hated him (chalk it up to paranoia well deserved!)  the friendly voices had little effect, but he sure responded to MY voice!

    that said, after talking to the sheriff, i really had a little bit of empathy for him.  for someone surrounded by his own demons, he drew every negative energy and action to him.

    bush does the same - and bush will finally fall because of it.  sooner or later - he WILL fall - and from his current physical appearance, i am betting sooner!

    •  He does look rather rough doesn't he? (none)
      Nixon's appearance went down in this very same way. He just sort of shrunk in on himself, as Bush clearly is. I'm not sure what produces the effect, booze? can't eat? can't sleep? Who knows? but he's looking like a 3 week old jack o'lantern. 'Tain't my imagination. He's goin' down.

      Then there are the Stepford Wife photos of the First Lady, (not Condi, the other one.) I've never seen a picture of anyone who was so obviously hopped up on something. I realize that this is all unsubstantiated, but just as with the pic of the lump beneath his jacket, my lying eyes are awful hard to dispute. Maybe I need a slug of the kool-aid to fuzz up my vision a bit.

      -6.88/-5.64 * 2005 AD, final score, Internet 1, Corporate America 0 * Merry New Year!

      by John West on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 03:21:49 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  i was a professional makeup artist for (none)
        the theatre - actually taught it at university...

        so, you can take this from an "expert" in depicting "character-type".

        with this qualifier, what strikes me most is the pallid skin and his "blue lips".

        i am willing to bet the farm that the boy is back on something...

        what EVER the cause, he is not physically well - and if he were to have that annual physical right now, i doubt he'd pass.

        the jan 1 pics show a frail, gaunt, sickly looking man - and the flu doesn't cause THAT much change in so short of time.

        first sharon, is bush next?

  •  Bu$hCo is Nixon on steriods: (none)
    Bu$hCo is far worse. Had Nixon had a Rethug Congress and SCOTUS God knows what would have happened back then? I highly doubt he would have ever quit. Today, Bu$hCo is in exactly that situation plus he has the Media basically neutered or on his side. My guess is for all practical purposes Bu$h knows he's a Dictator and isn't worried about anything but his poll numbers. Since the D's are in denial mode about the voting fraud situation we can expect no change at the 2006 mid-terms or in 2008. It looks as if barring some scandal that is so grievous even Bu$h Co can't escape it I don't see any hope for the D's to re-claim power for a long time. Dark times lie ahead once Alito is confirmed which is a slam dunk as well.

    "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees"

    by Blutodog on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 05:19:14 AM PST

  •  Bush & Nixon (none)
    If only Bush were as smart as Nixon.  Instead, we get a dunce from the dung heap. Indeed, the Chimpresident is more than just a dunce.  He is the idiot spawn of a nest of racist, tin-pot, self-styled aristocrats.  From the Nazi war bond selling loins of George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush, to his Skull & Bones daddy, to the imperious evil that is Barbara Bush with her condescending contempt for the Katrina survivors at the Astrodome, the Fates have conspired to create an almost perfect vessel of selfish and self-indulgent smugness,  a man so shallow and limited he may actually believe he his has been anointed by God to dictate his will to this Republic.

    Bush believes that he is the King, and that the King can do no wrong.  Parliament disabused Charles I of similar beliefs by separating his head from his body in 1649.  We will have to settle for impeachment.

    "But the sea is wide, and I can't swim over, and neither have I wings to fly . . ."

    "But the sea is wide, and I can't swim over, and neither have I wings to fly . . ."

    by bobdevo on Thu Jan 05, 2006 at 06:17:11 AM PST

  •  I wish Hunter had held on a bit longer (none)
    Hunter went out on such a low point, it was around the time even liberals like Jon Stewart were saying freedom is on the march in the mid east because of Bush.

    If only Hunter had stayed around to see Bush fail with S. Security, Katrina and Scooter Libby and all the other crimes and scandals.

    If only Hunter had stayed around long enough to see Bush at 35% approval rating.

    I miss Hunter.

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