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Picking up where we left off last week (and I've added quite a few FAILs to that list since I originally posted last Saturday), I present this week's top GunFail moments.

Before I get started with this week's list (so far), one update from last week:

LONGMONT, CO, 1/23/13: A man who told police he lost his .380 semiautomatic pistol while riding his motorized scooter through a north Longmont neighborhood on Jan. 16 told police he found the gun between some couch cushions in his home on Wednesday.

  • PARK HILLS, MO, 1/20/13: According to Park Hills Police, an altercation began inside a residence on Rivermines Street in Park Hills about 2 a.m. Once outside, Joseph Lee Gilliam, 22, of Park Hills, shot Billy Jo Edwards, 30, of rural Park Hills, before turning the gun on himself.
  • BOSTON, MA, 1/20/13: “He was cleaning his gun, and he forgot there was a shell in the chamber, and he struck his girlfriend in the head,” he said. “They were madly in love with each other. This wasn’t domestic violence. It was an accident.”
  • SALT LAKE CITY, UT, 1/20/13: Salt Lake City police on Thursday were investigating how an armed security guard managed to discharge his gun at the downtown branch of the public library. Sgt. Shawn Josephson said the CBI security guard’s weapon accidentally discharged about noon Sunday at the Main Library, 210 E. 400 South. Library spokeswoman Julianne Hancock said the gun went off in the library’s first-floor security office prior to opening. A security guard Sunday accidentally discharged his weapon inside the downtown Main Library. No one was injured. The bullet went through two walls and embedded in a third, Josephson said.
  • MESA, AZ, 1/20/13: When officers arrived, they found Noyes dead inside. The victim's 59-year-old wife, Patricia Noyes, was the only other person there, and detective say there is no indication that anyone else is involved. Police say there is some indication that the victim's wife was handling the gun, when it accidentally discharged.
  • SHARON, PA, 1/20/13: Barnes claimed he was holding the pistol by the grip and the victim was pulling on both his hand and the revolver. Barnes claimed the gun ‘went off’and (Le’Angelo) was struck in the chest. Barnes stated he dropped the gun on the floor and he and Spicer carried (Le’Angelo) to a car and drove him to the hospital.

  • ORLANDO, FL, 1/21/13: Police said there was a large crowd on the court playing basketball when two people bumped into each other during the game. Investigators said one of the men had a gun in his waistband and pulled it out to check it when the gun accidentally fired, hitting Whitehead.
  • BATON ROUGE, LA, 1/21/13: Authorities said a 2-year-old is dead after getting shot Monday evening by his teen brother who was playing with a gun.
  • WARWICK, RI, 1/21/13: Based on information at the scene, investigators said William Liebrich made the call and then shot his wife while she was in bed before turning the gun on himself.
  • FT. PIERCE, FL, 1/21/13: A police's officer's .45-caliber semi-automatic pistol accidentally discharged, grazing his leg in a parking lot near a Martin Luther King Jr. Day celebration Monday at Lawnwood Park. Officer Kevin Macrito was part of a police patrol of the event when he was inserting the pistol in the holster and it fired.
  • SPRING HILL, KS, 1/21/13: A woman was hit in the face but not seriously hurt. She told police she accidentally shot herself.
  • NATICK, MA, 1/21/13: A Maine man trying to sell a gun to his friend on Sunday accidentally shot the man in the hand, authorities said.
  • SAN DIEGO, CA, 1/22/13: Police say the 20-year-old man was in a park with some female friends just before 10 p.m., and was putting a semi auto 9mm handgun to his head and pulling the trigger as a joke. The gun did not have a round in the chamber at the time. The victim and friends walked to a house at the corner of Raven and Hilltop Dr. shortly after, and the victim repeated the joke in the front yard, but this time, the victim pulled the trigger and it went off.
  • OPELOUSAS, LA, 1/22/13: “My grandson was up front and when the dog moved to see him, it bumped the gun and it went off.
  • NORTHBRIDGE, MA, 1/22/13: Police said the man accidentally discharged his firearm and the bullet struck him in the abdomen.
  • ARLINGTON, TX, 1/22/13: Two men showing each other their guns accidentally shot when one goes off at Arlington home
  • BOZEMAN, MT, 1/22/13: MSU Police Chief Robert Putzke said that a Montana State University student accidentally discharged a round from a rifle into the pavement of the North Hedges parking lot.
  • NORTH HARRIS, TX, 1/22/13: That Lone Star College shooting? Check this out: KHOU-TV, citing a law enforcement source, reports that one man shot the other and then accidentally shot himself in the buttocks.
  • AKRON, OH, 1/23/13: A medical examiner completed the autopsy Thursday morning and said Jamarcus Allen died from a single gunshot wound to the head. It's not clear if the boy picked up the gun and accidentally shot himself or if someone else shot him.
  • FOUNTAIN, CO, 1/23/13: Police say that the 3 year-old child found a .40 caliber semi-automatic handgun in the master bedroom and acshot himself in the foot.n the foot.
  • HOWELL, NJ, 1/24/13: A special agent of the New Jersey Department of Treasury is being treated at a local hospital after accidentally shooting himself during training at the Monmouth County Police Academy Firearms Training Facility. Capt. Andy Kudrick of the Howell Police Department said the 41-year-old man was taking part in firearms familiarization training when his firearm discharged.
  • ALBERTVILLE, AL, 1/24/13: Albertville man dies in apparent accidental shooting
  • BOAZ, AL, 1/24/13: A man was shot during a game of quick draw at Extreme Concepts on Highway 431 in Boaz Thursday night, according to police. Boaz Police arrived on the scene and found 30-year-old Patrick Daniel Garrett with a gunshot wound to his torso. He was taken to Marshall Medical Center South where he was pronounced dead. Two or three other people were at the business when officers arrived. Witnesses said they were playing quick draw with their guns, but they thought all of the guns were unloaded.
  • SWEETWATER, TN, 1/24/13: The Sweetwater community is morning the death of a 15-year-old Sweetwater High student after police say he accidentally shot himself Thursday afternoon while handling a family handgun.
  • STOCKTON, CA, 1/24/13: The woman told police she was accidentally shot by someone riding in the back seat of her car near Arch Airport Road and South Airport Way.

One story not yet on the list merits some kind of special mention, though I can't decide if it's a true GunFail or not. In a 9-on-1 shootout between 10 cops (yes, cops on all sides, the bad guy here being an off-duty cop suspected of domestic violence), nobody was seriously hurt. That's a good thing, but a GunFail of a different sort. It's one you should think about next time someone tells you they're going to take out a shooter.

Originally posted to David Waldman on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 08:32 PM PST.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA) and Daily Kos.

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  •  Darwin at work (8+ / 0-)

    on the non-necessity of leaving rounds in chambers (why the 1911 was not designed as a double action pistol and has a backstrap safety), unfortunately with collateral damage; also, gunpowder and alcohol don't mix

    Warning - some snark above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ "We're like a strip club with a million bouncers and no strippers." (HBO's Real Time, January 18, 2013)

    by annieli on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 08:38:53 PM PST

  •  Nothing to see here folks , move along , (7+ / 0-)

    have a look see at the couple of century old document in the case over there . It was written back in the good old days , no cars so you could not use them as weapons , no airplanes - same same , no refrigeration , no radio , indoor pluming not so much , women and blacks knew their place .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 08:46:58 PM PST

    •  Interesting thoughts... (3+ / 0-)

      I have a century old "gun fail" case from my own family, from 'good old days' exactly as you describe...'law abiding responsible gun owner', and yet it ends in tragedy.  Some things never change.

      When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

      by Bisbonian on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 05:12:19 AM PST

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      •  me too.... (3+ / 0-)
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        "Beer and a Gun- another drunken Murder in Topeka" was the headline.  Always heard my great grandfather died in a hunting accident- turned out he was hunting beer at a German baseball game and his drunken friend shot him in the face with a shotgun.  We never told Grandma about how her dad died, but there is a warning for all genealogists there.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 08:54:59 AM PST

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    •  That document absolutely anticipated such things (1+ / 0-)
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      wonderful world

      in a general (the only possible) sense, via the "necessary and proper" clause in Article I, Section 8, that granted the federal government the power to do whatever it saw fit to carry out its constitutional duties, giving it implied powers way beyond its enumerated powers (but restricted to having to be legitimately derived from those powers).

      Duties like, oh, promoting the general welfare. Which gave it as much of a right to regulate commerce for our own good (and, say, force us all to have health insurance) as it did to regulate gun sales and ownership in ways that are clearly meant and likely to protect us from each other and do not unnecessarily and arbitrarily impinge upon our rights (which is why the Alien and Sedition Acts were an overreach, but the ACA was not).

      What many in the RKBA crowd do not realize or are willing to acknowledge is that no rights are absolute, the government has the power and really duty to regulate (i.e. limit) those rights when necessary and proper (e.g. to save lives), and that individual rights and liberties and government powers and duties are and forever will be in tension. In fact the constitution was set up that way on purpose. It was the ultimate "centrist" document.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:59:57 AM PST

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  •  We have over 100k people getting shot every year (14+ / 0-)

    and some here still say that things are honky dory. (don't worry, all don't die, "only" about 30%)

    That's 1 million people getting shot every ten years (and over 300,000 dying).  Isn't that enough of a crisis for our politicians to declare their freedom from the NRA and pass sensible firearm regulations?  If it is not, then I don't know what is.

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 08:52:55 PM PST

    •  Yeah but (5+ / 0-)

      30,000 people getting killed annually is just the price we have to pay for the second amendment.  And since the second amendment is clearly more important than anything else including life, I guess the families of those 30,000 people will just have to deal.

      Now if you don't mind, one of my seventeen AR-15 guns is getting lonely and wants me to blast the hell out of a mex-- a zombie!  I mean "ZOMBIE!"

      "O mulier, magna est fides tua. Fiat tibi sicut vis."

      by rujoking on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 04:45:04 AM PST

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      •  More people die from alcohol (1+ / 0-)
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        but nobody really gets too bent out of shape about it.

        Something about the rights of the many....

        And it being legal, which means good and encouraged.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:21:50 AM PST

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        •  People like alcohol so much (0+ / 0-)

          they can't stand to connect the dots.

          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:13:05 AM PST

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        •  We tried alcohol prohibition.... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...didn't work out so well.  Firearm regulation has been tried  in just about every other civilized country, quite successfully.

          I don't know what's been trickling down, but it hasn't been pleasant---N. Pelosi

          by Russycle on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:31:21 AM PST

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          •  We didn't print as much money (0+ / 0-)

            back then.

            We have much better ptinting presses as well as a LOT more people.

            What we have learned from marijuana prohibition is that we CAN tolerate the violence and the deaths while making a fabulous scam out of law enforcement budgets.

            We have the technology and we have the money.

            if we can kill people over pot, we can ban alcohol again.

            Think of the law enforcement budgets...... won't you?

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:47:04 AM PST

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      •  Given that 2.4 million people die every year, (0+ / 0-)

        30,000 deaths from firearms isn't all that significant (1.25% total). Its further undermined by the fact that 60% of firearm deaths are the result of suicide. Disregarding suicide, we are left with roughly 10000 gun murders, or a whopping 0.4% of total death.

        But hey, the actual statistics don't' jibe with your feelings (that the US has an uncontrollable gun crisis) so feel free to disregard them.

        http://www.census.gov/...

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        •  haha (0+ / 0-)

          Significant deaths vs Insignificant deaths. That makes me feel a lot better.

          •  It should have been obvious I meant statistically (0+ / 0-)

            Every death is significant to the people who know the deceased.

            Do we want to freak out about things that are statistically rare, but high profile, or do we want to address the things that actually happen frequently?

            •  While we are talking statistics (0+ / 0-)

              why don't you cull out of the 2.4 million people who die every year all the ones who die from disease and old age as they have absolutely nothing to do with firearm deaths. Let's see that percentage.

              •  here's one (0+ / 0-)

                what is the percentage of gunowners, and people who know or are related to gun owners, who die from firearms?

              •  You can see it all in this table (0+ / 0-)

                http://www.census.gov/...

                Death rate per 100K overall for 2007, 803.6

                Selected non-age related death rates

                Suicide 11.5 (Including Firearms)
                Firearms Suicide 5.8
                Homicide 6.1 (Including Firearms)
                Firearms Homicide: 4.2
                Alcoholic Liver Disease 4.8
                Motor vehicle accidents: 14.6
                Accidental Poisoning 9.9
                Falls 7.5
                Diabetes 23.7 (possibly age related)
                Drug Induced 12.7
                Alcohol Induced 7.7
                HIV 3.7

                The major medical rates (probably age related)
                Cancer 186.6
                Heart Disease 267.3
                Chronic lower respiratory diseases 42.4
                Influenza/Pneumonia 17.5
                Alzheimers 24.7

                So hypothetically, if guns never existed, and no one that committed suicide or homicide with a firearm would do so with any other implement, you could reduce the death rate by the same number of people that die to accidental poisoning.

                Deaths from falling are 78% more frequent than firearms homicide, do you see any calls for a national discussion of the falling epidemic?

    •  But we have to defend ourselves! (3+ / 0-)

      Not sure what the paranoia flavor of the week is, just that we all know it's out there.

      But whatever it is, it can only be stopped by flabby middle-aged white men with guns, the kind of heroes who break into a noble sweat on their evening Twinkie run.

      Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

      by MBNYC on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 04:56:49 AM PST

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  •  but on the other hand (21+ / 0-)

    we went another week without being conquered by communists or the united nations!

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 08:58:14 PM PST

  •  Two possible conclusions here (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm not sure which one the diarist is making, if any.

    One is that guns are so unpredictable that they might go off at any minute for no reason and they're totally unsafe to be around.

    The other is that Americans are too stupid to handle firearms safely.

    I have suspected other people of pushing the first option. The basic safety rules are easy to follow and effective. If you keep an unloaded gun pointed away from anything living and don't pull the trigger, nobody's going to get hurt. If you screw up everything else, you should at least be keeping the muzzle in a safe direction at all times.

    If you've got some reason to keep one loaded, take a class that covers safe handling, and RTFM.

  •  You're missing the third possible conclusion (9+ / 0-)

    Too many guns = too many innocent people in too many graves. Too obvious ?

    you don't believe in evolution, you understand it. you believe in the FSM.

    by Mathazar on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 10:04:25 PM PST

  •  Regarding that final item, one of the first... (15+ / 0-)

    ...matters I wrote about as an editorial writer when I first arrived in Los Angeles in the mid-'80s were the three cops who fired more than 50 shots (meaning at least one of them reloaded) at a handcuffed suspect who had escaped their custody and run up an embankment above the road. They didn't hit him once. I bet you're wondering what all those errant bullets did hit since they were being fired at a 30° or so angle uphill, meaning some of them went into the air and came down somewhere else in the city. Somebody's car, house, backyard swingset? Most cops are not marksmen.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 11:12:15 PM PST

    •  It's ok when cops shoot you. (0+ / 0-)

      Your rights aren't actually violated.

      Cops can shoot as much as they want without fear of repercussions or annoying consequences.

      I would argue it's encouraged.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:26:39 AM PST

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      •  That is sheer nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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        Dave in Northridge

        Every single police shooting resulting in an injury in the city where I worked was the subject of an internal investigation conducted by experienced investigators, as well as presentation to a Grand Jury, not to mention being dissected in one-second increments by the media in that locale.

        I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

        by Wayward Wind on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:46:45 AM PST

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        •  OK...you can find the occasional incident (0+ / 0-)

          where a cop did actually get REAL consequences for their shitty actions and I can find 10 - at least - where they just went fucking nuts and JACK FUCKING SHIT happened to them.

          I see your 'internal investigation' and add 1 "standard whitewash'.

          Police and Brutality go together that Peanut Butter and Jelly.

          And that is SPECIFICALLY because they get away with murder.

          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:10:26 AM PST

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          •  Murder has a very definite meaning in law (0+ / 0-)

            taking a life with premeditation is one aspect, and I am absolutely certain that you will not be able to find an instance where a police officer, with premeditation and without justification, killed someone and was not prosecuted.

            Have you ever spent any time at all observing what a run of the mill police officer does on a normal day? You should.  Contact a local urban department which has a ride-along program and spend a few days/nights watching it up close.  I think your preconceived notions will suffer.

            I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

            by Wayward Wind on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:32:48 AM PST

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            •  o my lord... (0+ / 0-)

              "and I am absolutely certain that you will not be able to find an instance where a police officer, with premeditation and without justification, killed someone and was not prosecuted."

              Howard Fineman needs to have a chat with Chris Cilizza about Grecian Formula and its effects on punditry

              by memofromturner on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:48:59 AM PST

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              •  You are welcome to try to find one (0+ / 0-)

                Just keep in mind the legal definition of murder.

                I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

                by Wayward Wind on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:03:05 AM PST

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                •  Amoud Diallo (0+ / 0-)

                  Ramarley Graham

                  4 cops killed Katheryn Johnston in Atlanta in 2005 - one of them went to jail.

                  1 out of hundreds ain't bad.

                  I'm just not a cop ass-kisser.

                  The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

                  by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:49:01 AM PST

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                  •  Replies (0+ / 0-)

                    Amadou Diallo - the cops involved were prosecuted, tried, and acquitted by a jury;

                    Kathryn Johnston - three cops plead guilty/were convicted, and 3 of the 4 were sentenced to prison;

                    Ramarley Graham - the cop was indicted on Manslaughter 1 and 2, and as far as I can tell, is awaiting trial.

                    0 out of 3 ain't bad...

                    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

                    by Wayward Wind on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:09:27 AM PST

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                    •  Graham was shot for marijuana. (0+ / 0-)

                      And they managed to arrest and charge his brothers and saddle the blame onto them. Not taking responsibility for NYPD's murderous ways.

                      I am ever so happy that bad cops can sometimes have a smidgen of justice applied to them. But we can't overlook that they get off lighter even when they do finally get tagged with their fucking murderous ways.

                      I hope they rot in jail.

                      Now, why are cops so prone to shoot wildly if they are so subject to the same laws we are?

                      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

                      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:21:37 AM PST

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                      •  Let's recap (0+ / 0-)

                        You said:

                        Cops can shoot as much as they want without fear of repercussions or annoying consequences.
                        which I called sheer nonsense, and provided an example of the process that is used in every police shooting in a particular location.

                        To which you replied:

                        And that is SPECIFICALLY because they get away with murder.
                        in response to which I challenged you to find a single instance where a police officer committed murder and was not prosecuted, even provided a definition of murder to help you along.  I also suggested that you spend some time having a look at what a run of the mill cop does on a daily basis so that you just might be able to speak from a point of knowledge.

                        You then gave three examples - none of which involved murder, and in each of which the police officers involved were fully prosecuted.

                        This is the internet.  You can rant, you can rave, you can expose all of your biases for everyone to see.  The one thing you can't do is spout absolute ignorant bullshit and not expected to be called on it.

                        I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

                        by Wayward Wind on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:54:37 PM PST

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                •  do you think you are clever? (1+ / 0-)
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                  it's not "legally" "murder" until decided in court, but of course that is plain to all

                  policemen who slay unarmed citizens rarely find their way into court, but we all know that too

                  Howard Fineman needs to have a chat with Chris Cilizza about Grecian Formula and its effects on punditry

                  by memofromturner on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:55:16 AM PST

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                  •  Do you have any understanding (0+ / 0-)

                    of what you are talking about?

                    In order for a homicide to be a murder, it requires any one of a number of factors, the most common of which is premeditation.  Any cop who planned to kill someone, and then did so, would be charged with murder - before any court proceedings are commenced.  There are other levels of homicide which have different requirements, and those are often charged in police shootings - witness the cases that the other commenter posted.

                    All police shootings are homicides, but that does not make them murders, nor does it even make them illegal.

                    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

                    by Wayward Wind on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:01:27 PM PST

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                •  Try this one (0+ / 0-)

                  Malik Jones shot to death by East Haven, CT police officer Robert Floodquist.

                  In 1997, Malik Jones was stopped by police officers in East Haven. He led police on a chase to New Haven where East Haven officer Robert Flodquist smashed the glass of Jones’ car and shot him several times at close range. At the time, Flodquist said Jones had given him a “go to hell” look.

                  The state's attorney declined to pursue charges against officer Floodquist.

                  Case law in the family's wrongful death suit is here

                  "Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

                  by Sonofasailor on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:59:22 PM PST

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                  •  Did you forget to mention a few facts? (0+ / 0-)

                    Particularly the one where Malik Jones was said to have been trying to run down Flodquist with his car when he was shot?

                    Yes, there was a different versions as to when the first shot was fired - before or after the vehicle was in motion - and whether 4 or 5 shots were fired, but it was clear from the forensic evidence that 4 shots entered the vehicle and that they were fired after the car was in motion.

                    The case was investigated by the police department, the District Attorney's office, and the state (presumably the State Police although it doesn't say that specifically) and all of them came to the same conclusion: that there was no evidence which contradicted Flodquist's claim of justification.  If they had, I think he would have been charged with either manslaughter or negligent homicide, and prosecuted.

                    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

                    by Wayward Wind on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:02:35 PM PST

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                    •  Not exactly forgetting to mention anything (1+ / 0-)
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                      I put the case law up for the express purpose of making the facts available to anyone interested. So I'm calling your bullshit on that!

                      There are plenty of facts out there in police reports, news coverage and court transcripts if you care to invest the time researching them. I suggest you do as you need to know more of them before you can arrive at an informed conclusion.

                      The state did not submit any evidence in the wrongful death trial, citing it as inconclusive. What was inconclusive was that renowned Chief Criminalist Dr. Henry Lee could not reconstruct the incident in the manner the police described it happening. A jury heard the evidence and found the Town of East Haven was responsible for the wrongful death of Malik Jones. They awarded Jones' family $900,000 in damages which was later overturned on a technicality at appeal. That decision is awaiting further judicial review.

                      Perhaps in the eyes of the law, when facts are not clear and disputed by inconsistencies, the benefit of the doubt favors the law and not the victim as in this case.

                      The unanswered question here is how an unarmed young man was shot to death over an alleged non working tail light on his car is not a crime. This is the reason officer Floodquist citied for engaging in pursuit of a traffic stop. He then ignored East Haven Police Department's high speed pursuit policy by not ending his pursuit in favor of the local jurisdiction when Jones' car entered the city limits of the City of New Haven. He then walks up to the car, smashes the window and fires 4 or 5 shots into the unarmed driver's chest because he felt his life was being threatened? The pursuit was illegal and the force used was clearly excessive, yet no charges were filed by the state's attorney. Why not give officer Floodquist his day in court and let a jury of his peers decide the facts.

                      I suppose you will say Jones shouldn't have run from the cops if he didn't have anything to fear. Right? Well that's a related story and I imagine you read about EHPD's brutal racist history of mistreating people of color. The DOJ is looking into that and federal charges have been filed against several officers, with a few guilty pleas entered. Given EHPD's reputation for making it known dark skin is not welcome there, I may have done the same thing if I was Malik Jones and I saw the lights in my rearview mirror with the much more civil minded jurisdiction of the New Haven PD a small fraction of a mile ahead of me.

                      "Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

                      by Sonofasailor on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:11:16 AM PST

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            •  Oh god no - you'll NEVER find a cop getting (0+ / 0-)

              away with murder.

              They won't even be charged with it.

              Cops hurt more people needlessly again

              Meanwhile cops kick and stomp man they tasered

              Cops are so misunderstood.....

              The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

              by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:55:27 AM PST

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  •  Been saying this far too often - (2+ / 0-)
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    IDIOTS !!!!!!!!!!

  •  We're Number One!! (11+ / 0-)

    Special Mention to the Hillsboro Oregon, Police Department, who, in an effort to contain a domestic dispute between a Reserve Officer of the Hillsboro Department and his wife, conducted a free-fire exercise in the man's home.

    Nine, count em, nine officers blazed away at walls, ceilings, floors and each other for minutes before the man, outnumbered nine to one, decided to end the training session and surrendered, and had his nose broken as he was taken down by the brave and accurate nine.

    All nine of the officers are on Administrative Leave for a few weeks and the Hillsboro Police Chief has pulled in 10 new officers from surrounding departments since the department was literally DECIMATED in the incident, losing 10 percent of its total strength in the free-fire exercise.

    Next up; Teachers in Hillsboro to get gun training for school shooting scenarios. What could go wrong?

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 04:19:36 AM PST

  •  When you think about it (5+ / 0-)

    it's kind of miraculous that MORE people aren't injured and killed by firearms in America.

    I know its not popular among gun owners, the majority of whom think they're all experts, but I truly believe that anyone who wants to carry a firearm of any sort needs to be certified as competent to do so, recertified periodically, and required to demonstrate safe storage and carrying habits.

    I simply don't understand how we can treat a tool with this sort of destructive and damaging power as casually as we do. We certainly didn't when I was in the military. And I certainly don't now. No responsible gun owner would. Clearly, there are is a vast amount of extremely irresponsible gun owners, and the body count is way to fucking high as a result.

    There needs to be restrictions and regulations.

    Almost 10 year old Daughter: "Boys are pretty good, but daughters have sentimental value." Me: "I don't think that phrase means what you think it does." Daughter: "None of them do, Mom. More's the pity. Words have to be flexible in today's world."

    by left rev on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 04:38:11 AM PST

  •  Derek Grebner on his negligent discharge. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Posted yesterday (1+ / 0-)
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    Turbonerd

    Security, Deterrence, and Self Defense: a look at other things to do to actually keep people safe.

    Central argument: Guns are niether the sole cause of our problems nor are they the solution: that are other things to consider in keeping yourself safe. Banning guns won't solve the problem; arming everybody under the sun won't accomplish jack, either.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:08:33 AM PST

  •  In related news: still no reports of deaths (8+ / 0-)

    from marijuana.

    Please contact your representatives and tell them to keep arresting people for it.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:09:57 AM PST

  •  There was another child who shot herself in NE OH (0+ / 0-)

    Will try to get the info.

  •  Okay, I'll tell my gunfail story again...... (7+ / 0-)

    When I was about 7 years old, I was over at a friend's house. This was rural Ohio in the 60s by the way. We found his Dad's shotgun, and my friend decided to show off by demonstrating how to load it. He subsequently decided that the only way to avoid getting in trouble was to get the ammo out of the gun, and the only way to do that was to shoot it.
         We stacked up three feather pillows in a small closet that abutted a closet on the other side of the wall. Then we stood in the closet, pointed the gun at the pillows and pulled the trigger. The recoil of the gun sent us both flying against the closet wall; the bullet(s) went right through the pillows, through the closet wall, and hit a case of coke in old-fashioned bottles on the other side.
         My friend's father heard a shot, came running toward the sound, only to be confronted with a dark puddle forming by the closet door. He started screaming and opened the door to see us sprawled against the wall with the feathers still settling.
         The parents were so shook up I don't even remember getting in trouble. I do know that I never saw another gun lying around my friend's house again.  
         I guess you could say that we literally dodged a bullet. I am fully aware that every moment since then has been an unearned gift.

    To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

    by kareylou on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:15:37 AM PST

  •  Love this feature... (5+ / 0-)

    This is the first time I've seen GunFail and I hope it's a regular feature that I can look forward to here. Speaking only for myself, there's a tendency to only think about gun tragedies when they are of gigantic nature or when gun violence is visited on the completely innocent. Truth, as evidenced here, is that regular ol' gun owners are victims of their own stupidity, negligence or
    substance abuse debilitation more often than we recognize. Thanks for supplying the ammo Mr. Waldman.

  •  A gun is always a gun. (1+ / 0-)
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    xxdr zombiexx

    The people part of the equation varies.  Greatly.

    My gun control petition was shot down.

    by 88kathy on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:27:12 AM PST

    •  I have gathered that we are supposed to (1+ / 0-)
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      ignore this annoying fact.

      Sort of like we marijuana reformers aren't supposed to harp on the severe disease-causing addictiveness of legal tobacco.

      it's like it's "no fair".

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:34:22 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  What guns don't do ... until they do. (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, DerAmi

    These explanations are very telling. Most involve the word "accident" - as in "accidentally shot" - and every once in a while, the story is written in Gun Passive, as in "The gun went off." Yes, in most cases, it seems to have.

    In these reports, most people holding the guns when they Went Off don't seem especially crazy, they are not apparently actively psychotic. I doubt the NRA would register them for mental treatment because of the treatment their guns subjected them to. In only a couple of them were guns being held by people who intended the result.

    In the 9 on 1 cop shootout, neighbors said they heard as many as 16 shots. Questioned about details, the police spokesman announced, "We believe he was armed with a weapon." Sounds like quite a strong belief to at least nine of the participants.

    From these stories, we learn that guns are the real culprits. It's The Guns who accidentally shoot - or not - or just "Go Off."

    These are important lessons for us all..

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    by TRPChicago on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:29:30 AM PST

  •  I have two questions. (0+ / 0-)

    Don't people ever watch movies?
    Are guns really so easily triggered, or are people taking the safeties off?

  •  Can we be free to make mistakes? (0+ / 0-)

    Or must we demand the state control and be responsible?

    I don't know which lie to believe anymore.

    by Captain Janeway on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:48:40 AM PST

    •  You ARE free to make mistakes (0+ / 0-)

      But when those mistakes maim or kill other people, you're also free to take responsibility for that and accept whatever penalty the state gives you.

      -7.75, -8.10; . . . Seneca Falls, Selma and Stonewall (h/t cooper888)

      by Dave in Northridge on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:54:25 AM PST

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    •  You see a lack of freedom to make mistakes here? (1+ / 0-)
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      tommymet

      I see plenty of 'em.

      Are you free to make 'em? Sure! Am I free to talk about them when you do? You bet.

      My mistakes kill fewer people, on average, however. And I thought that was worth noting. YMMV.

      •  The diarist is making a point (0+ / 0-)

        about how people are making mistakes with guns. To what conclusion? That guns are dangerous, therefore no one should have one?

        I don't know which lie to believe anymore.

        by Captain Janeway on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:47:45 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  The diarist is me. (0+ / 0-)

          And one of the conclusions is supposed to be that more guns = more accidents. So when we evaluate whether or not to put them in schools, for instance, I think we should have that reality in mind.

          Same goes for whether or not it's a desirable public policy to encourage anyone who wants one to go out and get one with the expectation that they'll be able to carry it with them wherever they go, and try to cut down a shooter should they encounter one in the theater.

          If you're going to ask to sit next to me in the theater while you're armed, with the idea in mind that you're doing me a big favor by being armed, I'd like some consideration given to the reality of people who are new to carrying firearms that if you just stick them in your jacket pocket, they can fall out and shoot you, shoot me, shoot my kids, shoot your grandma, whatever.

          I'm not recognizing a whole lot of that understanding out there right now. And in the meantime, some unknown number of people of unknown capacity may be putting a lot of unsuspecting people in danger.

          Showing that it can happen, does happen, and happens in numbers is important to me. And it should be important to people who are considering picking this habit up out of the blue.

          I can't help it if it's not important to others, of course. But it shouldn't be from ignorance of the reality that it happens.

  •  LaPierre not competent to own a gun (1+ / 0-)
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    Sweet Endolphins Heal

    Wayne LaPierre (as well as most of his board, probably) has shown himself to be mentally unstable and, therefore, should be barred from owning a gun.

  •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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    OldDragon

    ....for this summary of the tragedies of gun violence. This - accidental gun death - happens dozens of times EVERY DAY across the country, but it's so common and tragic, it's not even covered in the news.  So we don't see them, and we don't get to understand the true cost of owning guns.

    Please keep this in our face because we need to know.

  •  You spelled hisself wrong /nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  The fascinating insanity of gun nuts... (1+ / 0-)
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    DrTerwilliker

    I've noticed in recent discussions that concealed handgun fans believe that not only is it necessary to carry a gun around with you, but a round must be chambered at all times or you just aren't safe.  Because if you have to take a quarter of a second to chamber a round then you just aren't safe.  These people picture every potential use situation as one where you are staring into the eyes of your quick-draw opponent on a dusty street in the Old West.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:41:17 AM PST

  •  Too many guns in this country (0+ / 0-)

    Too many idiots (and worse) who own or have easy access to them. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I was a gun owner (I'm not) I'd want to be at the forefront of efforts to deal with this properly, to make it much more difficult for people who have no place owning or having access to guns be able to own or have access to guns. This seems blindingly obvious to me. No better policing than self-policing, at least when it's honestly attempted. But since they don't seem able or willing (let alone eager) to do this, in fact quite the opposite in all too many cases at least), then we're going to have to do this for them.

    It's not about guns, per se, but about certain kinds of guns (along with ammo and accessories). It's not about gun owners, but about certain kinds of gun owners (and the people in their lives who have access to their guns). There are certain kinds of guns, ammo and accessories that no civilian should be allowed to own, possess or have access to (at least outside a highly secure shooting range or gun museum), and certain kinds of people who shouldn't be allowed to own, possess or have access to ANY kinds of guns. No "right" is absolute, and no person has absolute "rights". All "rights", both "natural" and granted, are subject to prudent restriction based on legitimate community needs. I can't believe that this has to be repeated. Seems obvious to me.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:49:29 AM PST

  •  Dang! (0+ / 0-)

    And the NRA calls all these people the "good guys"!?

  •  got some follow up on guy in the video? n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  "This wasn’t domestic violence. (0+ / 0-)

    It was an accident."

    So.... he accidentally struck his girlfriend over the head with a gun?

    Does he normally strike his girlfriend over the head without something in his hand?

    I'll give it that ~perhaps~ "forgetting" there was a shell in the chamber was an accident, but I'm pretty sure hiting your girlfriend (or significant other or child) is still domestic violence. Going to hit someone you love with something like a gun in your hand says a lot.

  •  Maybe we should add IQ test along with that (0+ / 0-)

    background check.

    Gravitation cannot be held responsible for people falling in love. - Einstein

    by moose67 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:46:54 AM PST

  •  Addition: Dude points assault rifle at his kid (0+ / 0-)

    because of her grades

    http://www.latimes.com/...

    To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

    by dizzydean on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:16:05 AM PST

  •  Maybe we should: (0+ / 0-)

    just let the right wing brain trust have, carry and use guns any way they want but only in certain states (red?).

    Anybody who differs with this approach can move to other states where this is not permitted.

    Then wait a few of years for the gun nuts to kill themselves off and the problem is solved.

  •  well thats one reason (0+ / 0-)

    to not support gun control, getting rid of the gun nuts might be easier than trying to make sense to them, suicide by thy gun is a solution after all.

  •  i'm sure i'm not the first here to note (0+ / 0-)

    how many of these incidents resemble scenes out of The Andy Griffith Show.

    Barney never killed anybody, though.

    The NRA is a terrorist organization.

    by one you can live with on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:54:11 AM PST

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