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The excellent ads supporting Democratic Sen. Mark Begich's re-election bid keep coming, though the latest is not from Begich himself but rather Put Alaska First, a super PAC supporting him. (PAF, by the way, is chiefly funded by the Senate Majority PAC.) Simply put, this is how Democrats in red states—or really, Democrats anywhere—should be running on Obamacare:

In the ad, born-and-raised Alaskan Lisa Keller—"a mother, a runner, a breast cancer survivor"—jogs through a snowbound Anchorage, explaining she was "lucky" because she "beat cancer." "But," she continues, "the insurance companies still denied me health insurance, just because of a pre-existing condition." However, she adds, "I now have health insurance again, because of Mark Begich. Because he fought the insurance companies so that we no longer have to."

You can't offer a message simpler and more heartening than that. This is precisely the kind of sympathetic story that Americans for Prosperity wished it could tell, except this one happens to be completely true and gets to the very core of what's best about the Affordable Care Act. You want to run on repealing Obamacare? You're literally running on repealing Lisa Keller's health insurance. The stakes couldn't be clearer.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Elections on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:14 AM PDT.

Also republished by Obamacare Saves Lives and Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (127+ / 0-)
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    by David Nir on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:14:26 AM PDT

  •  AMEN David (57+ / 0-)

    I'm so tired of Dems running like chickenshits for cover every time the big mean nasty GOP and the Koch brothers or some other rich billionaire criticizes them for something.   They're bullies, treat them as such and show everyone they're bullies.  Grow a fucking spine, stand up and kick them in the balls.  This ad does just that.  It fights the GOP and Koch on turf that is favorable to us.  Show people what it means to be a Dem and what it will mean if they elect a GOP.  As we have seen in Florida it is literally a choice between life and death.  I hope other Dems like Mark Pryor are watching.  

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:21:05 AM PDT

    •  Send this comment, along with the (14+ / 0-)

      video, to Mark Pryor.  Excellent comment.  They should hear our thoughts loud and clear!

      The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

      by AnnieR on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:53:46 AM PDT

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      •  The problem is (0+ / 0-)

        that our side doesn't have a clue about what this is going to cost. Expanding Medicaid, making young, healthy people pay for other less healthy patients, that's all a good strategy IF you have the info about the costs and you make the system sustainable. At this point, it's not. Healthcare costs are actually going up with no end in sight.

        People who vote Republican aren't all illiterate numbskulls. Many of them are hard-working business owners and employees who justifiably don't want to be saddled with paying for social service programs directed toward people who choose not to pay their share. For many conservatives, it's not about disregarding the poor, it's about being more careful about how we "help" people.

        Yes, corporate welfare is worse than social welfare.
        Yes, the Pentagon and wars profiteers cost us too much.
        Yes, corporations buy off elected Republicans.

        But:
        1. Corporations buy off elected Democrats.
        2. Obamacare costs 30% more because Democrats are bought off by big Pharma and the Insurance Industry.
        3. Making young healthy people pay more in insurance as a way to cover expansions in Medicaid and subsidies is A) Not sustainable, and B) A new hidden tax.
        4. We can't help people who truly need our help unless we get rid of the cheaters (on the top & bottom) that are sucking out all our money.
        5. We still have intergenerational welfare, which means it's not working.
        6. The left pushes for massive immigration increases and amnesty for illegal aliens (voting against your own interests is ironically what we always claim Rs do).
        7. We allow drug addicts to live off others while continuing their addictions, as if there's some privacy issue on what they do with our money.
        Etc., etc.

        Our side needs to figure out how to make social service programs work so we can get moderates willing to support our progressive policies. Only then will we be able to take back our country from the super rich plutocrats who own both the Dems and Repubs in Congress.

        •  Aka the Southern Strategy (4+ / 0-)
          People who vote Republican aren't all illiterate numbskulls. Many of them are hard-working business owners and employees who justifiably don't want to be saddled with paying for social service programs directed toward people who choose not to pay their share. For many conservatives, it's not about disregarding the poor, it's about being more careful about how we "help" people.
          But they tend to be more willing to help those people who are white like them.  That's the whole point of the Southern Strategy:  Getting white working-class and small business owners to vote against their own economic interests by using code words to stoke and fan whatever racist impulses they might possess.

          That's not me saying that, that's Lee Atwater, Reagan's evil genius, saying that back in 1981.  Let's go to the videotape.

          From the article linked above:

          It has become, for liberals and leftists enraged by the way Republicans never suffer the consequences for turning electoral politics into a cesspool, a kind of smoking gun. The late, legendarily brutal campaign consultant Lee Atwater explains how Republicans can win the vote of racists without sounding racist themselves:

          You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

          Now, the same indefatigable researcher who brought us Mitt Romney’s “47 percent” remarks, James Carter IV, has dug up the entire forty-two-minute interview from which that quote derives. Here, The Nation publishes it in its entirety for the very first time.

          Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

          by Phoenix Woman on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:17:26 PM PDT

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          •  I think your historical perspective is correct, (0+ / 0-)

            but falls flat today. I don't believe that racism is the reason that half of our country's voters continue to choose Republicans.  

            Lots of us are thrilled to have elected our first black president, but have serious issues with his dishonesty regarding transparency in government, continued feeding of the war profiteers, and probably deliberate undermining of the public option in Obamacare.

            Remember also that racism can be experientially learned.

            When we get our Democrats to support the middle class over the rich, and when we stop pushing amnesty and increased immigration, we'll garner votes from people who think we've been very naive on those two issues.

            •  Sure you can say you're happy! (7+ / 0-)

              We elected the first black president but that doesn't mean you're being honest and transparent yourself. Remember Birtherism and the fact that nothing Obama does is ever right, even when he succeeds in reversing the negative job loss trend, economic crash Bush/GOTP set in motion in 2007, 2008. Even though Obama has reversed GOP disaster by gaining jobs rather than losing, GOP complain. ACA is lowering healthcare costs, offers benefits the previous system discriminated against people on, saved 716 B$ from medicare which goes back to medicare to save seniors money on drugs and services rather than use it as tax break for the rich like Ryan does, and still GOTP voters whine because a black man did it. What about the confederate flags and racist innuendo against Obama. Yeah, it most definitely is racially motivated, even if you're in denial about it, that more than an overwhelming majority of whites voting GOP are voting race over policy or their best interests. If they were voting good policy or their interests they'd vote Democrat. Racist Democrats fled in droves to the GOP party because they wanted to keep segregation and white supremacy going. Given man's selfish nature, you can understand how some people might want to maintain an unfair advantage over their fellow black, brown citizens even if in actuality what they're voting for is the supremacy of the oligarchy and against themselves. But they don't know that because the Southern Strategy dupes them by giving them brown, black people as the boogeyman rather than the reality which is the wealthy oligarchs are the actual enemy. Limbaugh and other rich oligarchs keep duping you guys, whipping you into a frenzy over race as they rob you blind as they're the real enemy. Open your eyes. N/M you won't because you like the lie of white supremacy.

              •  Excellently done! (3+ / 0-)

                I recall when the Republicans in the House were impeaching Clinton and claiming it was not about the sex.  We all found out later that it WAS about the sex.  So, when someone claims not to be a racist and surrounds this claim with such statements as SpaK has done, well, I'm just saying.

                •  I interpret the Clinton impeachment differently. (1+ / 0-)
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                  They hated that man very, very deeply. From the very start they were out to get him. They only needed something to stick. His rather childish fooling around was the only thing that worked in the end.

                  He indulged in tawdry affairs with some comely young ladies and denied it until the bitter end. Who wouldn't? And that includes many of the people who were trying to kick him out.

                  It wasn't because of the affairs. Those merely served as the excuse. It was because they hated his guts from day one.

                  And they've done the same thing to Barack Obama. For that reason, I don't believe that Obama hatred is actually race based. (Though I don't doubt that opportunistic racists are happy to join up) They hate the current President for the same reason they hated Bill Clinton.

                  They hate these guys simply for being Democrats.

                  The people who came to Washington with Ronald Reagan plus the 'second wave' who came with Newt Gingerich had a deep-seated contempt for those who they considered 'leftists'. It's festered into true hatred.

              •  THE PROBLEM W/ OBABMA IS HE IS African/American (0+ / 0-)

                and the racists can't bear to admit that as an African/American president, he has done an excellent job and deserves credit for all the good things he has done.  Of course they are always looking for ways not to not give him any credit for what he has done, or is doing.  All they see is he is black and they don't want to admit how much good he has done.  I am proud of President Obama and all the good he has done and how he seems to laugh off all their petty digs at him.  I agree that Democrats need to really get their ads together and emphasize the thousands of people who now have healthcare, when the Republicans were fighting it tooth and nail all the way and are still wanting to repeal it.  Also, how about emphasizing how the Republicans are denying people extended unemployment benefits, claiming they are doing them a favor.  At church yesterday I talked to a guy about the thousands of dollars he was saving now, with a much lower health insurance premium.

        •  Hi Sparhawk! Here we go again! (5+ / 0-)

          Please show how  health care costs are skyrocketing. You are exaggerating on purpose about the number and quality of people who need health care, your inference is that there are too many freeloaders. So, prove your claim. You are a troll and you are not a good enough writer to hide your trope from people who understand what you are really saying.

          If we are going to elect Democrats, lets elect real ones!

          by waztec on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:20:12 PM PDT

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          •  I'm not a troll (0+ / 0-)

            I simply disagree with you. In a few years, we will realize that we've been taken for a ride (again). Our Democrats have layored Obamacare on top of an already faulty social services system.

            People who uses drugs can get Social Security for being drug addicts, and access Section 8 Housing and HEAP air conditioning and heating support for the rest of their lives. Guess what they can spend their money on, thanks to other taxpayers: Yup, drugs. Liberals think requiring drug tests for those on social services is somehow an infringement of the drug user's right to privacy.

            People from other countries can fly here to have a baby (maternity tourism), take their "instant citizen" back home, and if the kids falls off a rice cart, he/she's eligible for Social Security Disability for the rest of their lives, thanks to American taxpayers and progressives who refuse to question our own liberal policies.

            I could go on, but you're not interested in hearing any criticism of our great social welfare policies.

          •  Rake Off (4+ / 0-)

            Reducing the cost of health care will never be effective until we have a single-payer system that dumps the insurance companies and the 20% they rake off the top.

        •  You points have no point (8+ / 0-)
          1. Corporations buy off elected Democrats.
          Sure.  But Dem's at least try to help people as well.
          2. Obamacare costs 30% more because Democrats are bought off by big Pharma and the Insurance Industry.
          That was the only way to get Repubs to support it.  Repubs block any and all collective bargaining on behalf of the people vs corporations.  They wouldn't even begin to talk about single-payer; we had to start with one of their own bills and even then they went apeshit crazy.
          3. Making young healthy people pay more in insurance as a way to cover expansions in Medicaid and subsidies is A) Not sustainable, and B) A new hidden tax.
          It's called insurance.  It works best with the largest pool of participants.  The healthy are always subsidizing the sick.  Always were, always will be.
          4. We can't help people who truly need our help unless we get rid of the cheaters (on the top & bottom) that are sucking out all our money.
          The "cheaters" on the bottom are utterly insignificant.  You will spend far more trying to deny then benefits than you would save once you find them and take away their benefits.
          5. We still have intergenerational welfare, which means it's not working.
          The only intergenerational warfare I see is old folks on SS and Medicare trying to dismantle they system while leaving themselves untouched.
          6. The left pushes for massive immigration increases and amnesty for illegal aliens (voting against your own interests is ironically what we always claim Rs do).
          How is this at all a problem?!
          7. We allow drug addicts to live off others while continuing their addictions, as if there's some privacy issue on what they do with our money.
          Yeah, this is bad.  We should decriminalize all drug use and simply treat them.
        •  The problem is (0+ / 0-)

          Your not paying attention which is why your bullet points make no sense at all.

          •  I assume you realize (1+ / 0-)
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            that the blockquotes in drklassen's post are points made by SpaK above?

            drklassen quoted SpaK's comments point by point and refuted them.

            Do try to pay attention, won't you?

            The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

            by twocrows1023 on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:06:02 PM PDT

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        •  smart republican oxymoran (4+ / 0-)

          I have yet to encounter a smart informed considerate republican. At it;s very root, it is impossible. These are the people who call themselves the party of ronald reagan who was the worst traitor this country has ever seen and possibly one of the most evil men in history. Hitler targeted the jews- Reagan targeted the poor black community with crack to pay to create the middle east war machine.  I am from a family business where we were denied insurance at any price because my Mom had arthritis so we were all blackballed. We were not able to provide insurance for employees either. I watched 3 generations suffer and die because we were denied medical treatment. There is no such thing as a good republican. These are the choices they have made in following a platform of hate and exclusion.

        •  Single payer, (5+ / 0-)

          which is the ultimate outcome of the healthcare games, in countries like Britain, France and others costs about 30 - 40% less based upon GDP,and has far better outcomes.  Life expectancy in the US is NOT among the highest in the industrialized nations.  Single payer countries do not experience two of the more important issues facing Americans: 1)over 50,000 deaths every year from treatable cause because the victims do not have insurance, 2) hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies every year due to no insurance or inadequate insurance.  Eliminating the current system of private insurers will save this country $350B, more than enough to foot the cost of a single-payer system.  Or, we could just adjust our current budgetary priorities by reducing our military budget by 30%.

        •  - (4+ / 0-)
          7. We allow drug addicts to live off others while continuing their addictions, as if there's some privacy issue on what they do with our money.
          Uh, no.  Rick Scott combed the Welfare rolls.  He forced them to get tested for drug use and intended to 1] make those who failed pay for the test themselves [the state picked up the tab for those who tested clean] and 2] kick off anyone who showed up dirty.

          So how much did he save by doing all that?  
          He SPENT $2 million.  
          And how many people could he kick out for using drugs?  
          2%.

          So 98% of the people he hoped to kick to the curb are still on Welfare and not using drugs.  Just like they didn't before Rick played his game and proved what everyone else had said all along:  people on Welfare are, almost entirely, NOT drug addicts.

          But you didn't get that memo, I guess.  Primarily because you didn't want to.

          The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

          by twocrows1023 on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:03:22 PM PDT

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      •  Pryor (2+ / 0-)
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        I sent it to him!  He needs more wake-up calls.  I am an AR voter.

        •  Good! (1+ / 0-)
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          They need to hear our voices.  We're preaching to the choir here.  Some of these excellent comments I read every day need to be sent to our elected representatives.  How else will they know?  Good for you.

          There are times when I feel so strongly in the ignorance I'm seeing from politicians that I send them e-mails using a 123 main street address and the zip code from their hometown offices.  I didn't think about it this time - duh!  

          The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

          by AnnieR on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 02:58:51 PM PDT

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    •  Can you help me out? (2+ / 0-)
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      Everyone keeps saying they are running away from it but I haven't seen specific examples of this. I am just wondering if you could provide me with some.

      I love president Obama!!!

      by freakofsociety on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:02:00 AM PDT

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      •  Alex Sink (24+ / 0-)

        Embraced the Simpson Bowles suck, advocated fixing Obamacare.  You shouldn't be advocating fixing something.  That suggests it's broken.  What you SHOULD be doing is talking about the good things and fighting to IMPROVE, ENHANCE or even EXPAND as Begich has done with Social Security.  When Dems fight to give more to the people they win.  When they embrace the austerity suck they lose.    

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:48:25 AM PDT

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      •  It's not the ACA they're cautious about so much as (2+ / 0-)
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        OBAMAcare.

        The GOP has made Obama out to be something akin to a hot potato stink bomb with all their relentless over the top socialist style dog whistle critiques for the last six years. Their visceral and irrational contempt for the President blinds them to the larger public service they were elected to perform.

        Now that the ACA is demonstrating some substantial success with the enrollment numbers, there's probably a bottomless barrel of heartfelt stories the dems can and ought to tell in virtually every race in the country. The more those stories get told, with some variety for the states and districts chosen for this, the more the negatives on Obamacare will fade.

        Improving health care has been a democratic issue since at least Harry Truman, as has the minimum wage. Voting Rights since Johnson...

        Candidates ought to play to their strengths on these issues and the emerging strengths of their party.

        When the other side doesn't act as if they have a clue as to why the public values these issues, the ones with the clearer, more hopeful message has to prevail.

        Mistakes are the portals of discovery. - James Joyce

        by Beastly Fool on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:33:57 AM PDT

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        •  The 2012 Results Show That Demonizing PBO Has Not (2+ / 0-)
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          worked for the GOTP.

          To the extent we have Dems like Landrieu and Pryor in states where the president is loathed by the new Confederate Christianists, this Begich ad is the way to go. Lundegren Grimes in KY and Nunn in GA need to catch this positive, moving forward for the middle-class train and ride it through Nov. 4th.

          At a minimum raising the specter of losing tangible benefits may suppress GOTP turnout.

    •  Well said! (6+ / 0-)

      Perfectly well said and great ad! That is how Dems need to run on ACA. They should also beat GOTP over the head for cutting medicaid expansion, repealing ACA when they got nothing to protect the wealthy insurance companies, Koch and billionaires, call them out for growing the deficit under traditional healthcare and put them out there for cutting medicare through Ryan's budget, and tout ACA lowering healthcare costs and putting those savings back into medicare so seniors can get free prescription and free exams whereas GOP cuts those cuts and pass the savings to big oil company. What is wrong with Dems, why can't they fight back and hit GOP where it hurts! If Dems run on ACA and point out GOTP failures not only will ACA become more popular, they'll win seats in the senate and the House!! Grow a spine Dems, fight for gosh sakes!

    •  I should be getting my... (4+ / 0-)

      "NOTHING goes better with KOCH" window cling today. I know it dates me but what the hell.

      "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

      by VA6thDem on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:28:59 AM PDT

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    •  Evan Bayh and Joe Lieberman think you are (3+ / 0-)

      way too partisan...

      NSA: The Only Part of the Government that Listens to You :o(

      by JVolvo on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:07:05 AM PDT

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  •  They would tell us they couldn't afford (13+ / 0-)

    pre-existing conditions. They would tell us they can't afford health insurance for all. They would tell us they don't have a nickle to spare.

  •  That's the way it's done! (33+ / 0-)

    Now, if we can get this kind of ad in all 435 districts and every state....

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:24:53 AM PDT

  •  Have to imagine this is the plan... (39+ / 0-)

    And Begich is simply the first of many out of the gate because he has made the decision to get on air early because it's cheap in Alaska and he needs to get out and frame himself while GOP Primary remains nasty.  He knows Sullivan will win, so will frame himself as Alaska's son while Treadwell attacks Sullivan as an outsider/Washington DC parachute candidate.   That's how you take advantage of a GOP primary if you have the money.  

    Glenn Greenwald promotes far-right fringe extremist group The Oath Keepers - https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/377787818619064320

    by Jacoby Jonze on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:28:53 AM PDT

  •  very well done ad (12+ / 0-)


    I hope the rest of the wafflers get in line and start producing ads like this!

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:35:50 AM PDT

  •  Nice.Run against the evil insurance companies (11+ / 0-)

    Even Republicans hate insurance companies

  •  Pre-existing (2+ / 0-)
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    So Dems are encouraged to stay on point. That point being pre-existing conditions coverage. Ignore all the other horrible features of Obamacare and stay on point. Good luck with that.

  •  Very nice indeed. (28+ / 0-)

    He doesn't have to mention "Obamacare" or even "The Affordable Care Act".

    He doesn't have to mention the number of enrollments or "how many have paid" or "how many were already covered".

    He doesn't have to mention actuarial tables, metal levels or age demographics.

    All he has to do is point out:

    --Insurance companies were screwing people over.

    --He voted to stop them from screwing people over.

    --Now insurance companies can't screw people over anymore.

    That's it.

    •  And this is exactly how the bill (8+ / 0-)

      should have been named and framed from the git-go.  "The Insurance Reform Act" would have had everyone behind the idea.  

      It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

      by Radiowalla on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:00:54 AM PDT

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      •  errr (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't know if that would have helped much. They still would have done everything they could to try and bring it down. Like everyone keeps saying "Obama should be against air, then the republicans would stop breathing."
           Regardless the main problem I hear every day people complaining about is that they shouldn't be forced to buy health insurance. I'm still trying to come up with a good way to argue against that. :( It's so hard to inform people and help them see the light.

        I love president Obama!!!

        by freakofsociety on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:12:27 AM PDT

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        •  Disagree. (5+ / 0-)

          Framing is key to winning battles.  If Obama had been quick out of the gate to call this "insurance reform," it would have been a lot harder to oppose it.  He would have had public opinion behind him and the Republicans would have had a harder time selling their mistrust.  

          For the people who say they "shouldn't be forced to buy health insurance," there is a very simple reply.  "But society is forced to pay for your care when you end up in ER and have no money.   Everyone dies, everyone gets sick and everyone should pay."  

          It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

          by Radiowalla on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:23:06 AM PDT

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          •  Well I guess we'll never know (0+ / 0-)

            Am seriously interested in finding a good way to make people feel better about the mandate though.

            I love president Obama!!!

            by freakofsociety on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:41:59 AM PDT

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            •  Trivial (6+ / 0-)

              That just applies to the moochers who want us to pay for their health care in the Emergency Room, and won't take personal responsibility.

              You use their framing against them.

              Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

              by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:48:01 AM PDT

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              •  Does that actually change minds though? (0+ / 0-)

                :(

                That doesn't seem like a good way to win people over.

                I love president Obama!!!

                by freakofsociety on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:03:17 AM PDT

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                •  Remind them that everyone who ever got cancer (0+ / 0-)

                  Didn't expect to get it.  And there are plenty of cancers that hit young, healthy people who would never expect to get it.

                  Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

                  by CindyV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 11:00:29 AM PDT

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                •  We have to ask how many are open to any facts (0+ / 0-)

                  whatsoever. The evidence is that that is very few at any one moment, except among the very young, who are falling away by the millions. The most effective facts are having a child get cancer, which we cannot affect and would not wish on them.

                  Thus I take them at their word, and hope that I am talking to one of those who actually believes the "moocher" talking point, and is not using it merely as a Dog Whistle.

                  I would be interested in empirical experiment and observation on what does work.

                  There is actually a better method than I suggested, which was solely in response to the question what argument can you make.

                  Ask them what most concerns them. If they do not spout pure racism or Bircherist anti-Communism, listen. Ask how they know.

                  If you get one fact in, you are doing well. If you can start an evidence-based conversation, you may get a convert.

                  Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                  by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:30:28 PM PDT

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            •  Try this approach (5+ / 0-)

              and report back!  I'd like to know how it went.  You are probably dealing with libertarians who think all rules are infringements on their personhood.  If that is the case, maybe you should ignore them.  I had a family member who used to argue with me all the time about the nonsmokers' rights legislation in California.  He whined for years about it and said that restaurants should have the right to allow smoking.  
              Then he died of lung cancer.  End of story.

              It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

              by Radiowalla on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:48:09 AM PDT

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              •  Well it just sort of concerns me (0+ / 0-)

                because I'm 32 and I'm the future of this country and unfortunately I know too many people my age or younger who are mad about the mandate and trying to go libertarian. I don't want us to keep voting libertarians in. They are also annoyed that Obama has "helped" (their words, not mine) the insurance companies. I just can't understand why people would keep embracing right wing ideology, and am sick of the Rand Paul worship. :(
                       I really hope I am overestimating this problem and there aren't as many anti-government millenials as I think there are.

                I love president Obama!!!

                by freakofsociety on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:07:13 AM PDT

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                •  I haven't been 32 for a long time (3+ / 0-)

                  so I don't know what is going on in that sphere.  What you say is concerning because it indicates a mind-set that rejects the civic responsibilities that are needed if we are going to live together with any cohesion.   At 32, it's easy to think you will never get sick, never have an accident, never be on the hook for a parent's care.  

                  By the way, Rand Paul, the uber-libertarian, is in favor of government control of women's body parts and you might remind your friends of that.  He is in favor of the Personhood Amendment and is viciously anti-choice.  I wonder if your friends are aware of what they would be getting by supporting him.

                  It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

                  by Radiowalla on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:22:02 AM PDT

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                  •  A lot of them voted for Gary Johnson (1+ / 0-)
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                    in 2012. Not all of them are actually my friends. Some family, some acquaintances.

                    But this one guy I know that voted for Gary Johnson is a complete idiot and said the government tries to control people with flu shots. After that I didn't really feel like talking to him anymore. lol When they say they are libertarians its a total turn off.

                    I love president Obama!!!

                    by freakofsociety on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:16:00 AM PDT

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                  •  Polls for Arizona report (1+ / 0-)
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                    that a third of Arizona voters are registered as independent.  And the largest group of independents are younger voters.  This seems to be at least partly a libertarian trend.

                    Some of the young libertarians may be misinformed.  My husband and I are older, and we were standing near some 20-somethings at a parade in Flagstaff.  They were definitely progressive leaning based on what they were saying, but some didn't seem to know the difference between libertarian political figures and progressives.

                    But there are certainly plenty of staunch "I shouldn't have to pay any taxes because IT'S MY MONEY, I EARNED IT" folks out here, too.  Those types cannot be reasoned with - they just don't get it and probably never will.  

                    Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

                    by CindyV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 11:16:08 AM PDT

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          •  Don't argue (5+ / 0-)

            That just hardens their denial. Throw their own words in their faces

            Personal Responsibility
            and walk away.

            Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

            by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:46:55 AM PDT

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          •  I have wondered why dems havent countered (3+ / 0-)
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            With the personal responsibility angle. A favorite GOP meme. Instead, GOP is backing let big govt take care of you, by advocating use of emergency rooms,  the most expensive way of doing things.

            Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

            by Sherri in TX on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:07:52 AM PDT

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        •  Boehner did stop breathing. (0+ / 0-)

          Air, anyway. He runs on sulfur dioxide.

          "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Ryan Paul von Koch

          by waterstreet2013 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:14:54 AM PDT

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        •  Although they still probably won't hear, (1+ / 0-)
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          The bottom line is that they already get free health care if they really need it - in the emergency room.  And other people pay for that when it happens.  Having a body that requires health care is like driving a car.

          They could argue that they don't need auto insurance because they are good drivers that would never cause an accident.  And we'd all think they were delusional.

          My oncologist told me when I was diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma (cancer) that we all walk around with the (happy) delusion that we aren't going to get something like that when we're young (I was 35, but that type of cancer often hits people as young as 17).  When asked, we don't deny that it's possible, but we don't really believe it will happen to us. When it happens, our delusion is stripped away and we're left terrified by the uncertainty of reality - until we survive and later build up enough delusion to go merrily on our way again.

          Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

          by CindyV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:58:00 AM PDT

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      •  Yes !! The Insurance Reform Act of 2009. (0+ / 0-)

        And do Medicaid Expansion separately along with a 5,000 unit increase to Community Health Centers.

        Socializing Medicaid would have been a fairly easy sell.

        "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Ryan Paul von Koch

        by waterstreet2013 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:12:32 AM PDT

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    •  and add that republicans want to take that away. (2+ / 0-)
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      Put republicans on defense for taking away a real person's access to healthcare, that they now have thanks to the democrats.

      Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

      by Sherri in TX on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:01:11 AM PDT

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  •  Finish each ad like this (22+ / 0-)

    with a custom message...

    Thanks to [Dem candidate] I have health insurance.

    And [insert name of GOP candidate here] wants to repeal my health insurance and take away my coverage.

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:43:14 AM PDT

  •  THIS, I believe, is the winning message! (8+ / 0-)

    As many on this site know already, I'm not a fan of "mend it don't end it" because I think it has the potential to box Dems into a space they can't easily get out of.  

    This message, OTOH, is to the point and shows the benefits of what we already have.  It doesn't try to beat around the bush and deflect to something what we might, kinda, possibly, maybe, should have.

    Clearly, as others have noted, the reason we're gonna lose the seat in AR is because Pryor is way too chickenshit for his own good. He doesn't really connect with his own people (against the min. wage? really, Mark??)  and runs away from the potential benefits of the ACA. He's only got ONE THING to run on and he runs away from it!

  •  I know Begich is basically a blue dog (3+ / 0-)

    But I can't help but like him.

    I love president Obama!!!

    by freakofsociety on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:01:01 AM PDT

    •  I feel the same way about Joe Donnelly (4+ / 0-)

      in Indiana. I worked for him against Richard "Rape babies are God's will" Mourdock. Since the election Donnelly has evolved on Guns and Gays, even if not on God (women's medical choices).

      We could easily have gotten another Mike Pence or Dan Coats as Senator.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:52:38 AM PDT

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    •  Bad on environmental issues.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....but really good on most other things, and he managed to get elected in Alaska of all places.  I hope he sticks around for a long time.  A big government state should not be represented by someone against their interest.

      "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

      by LordMike on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:31:49 AM PDT

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    •  a lot to like about him (0+ / 0-)

      he listens.  he's imaginative/open-minded.  he has a great staff and advisers.  genuine caring and concern.

      he'll end up winning.  going to be really close, though.

  •  No place to hide, so might as well talk up good (1+ / 0-)
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    it's doing.  There's going to be plenty of Koch ads denouncing it and blue state cheering it.  There's no avoiding it.

    The dossier on my DKos activities during the Bush administration will be presented on February 3, 2014, with an appendix consisting an adjudication, dated "a long time ago", that I am Wrong.

    by Inland on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:06:02 AM PDT

  •  Bravo!! When we moved to Oregon... (11+ / 0-)

    ...back in the bad old days of fight-for-your-life insurance company ripoffs, we almost did not get health coverage because of my wife's pre-existing condition.

    Since that condition (which has never endangered her) existed from f**king birth!, we'd never have gotten insurance. We did not have employer insurance so had to go begging to the private marketplace that Republicans just loves themselves.

    I remember distinctly talking to a bleeping bureaucrat over the phone and explaining that there was absolutely no evidence that my wife's condition was dangerous nor would cost them any more money.

    The bureaucrat (not a medical person at all) said "But it's a lesion". An ow-ie existing from birth which would have forever denied my wife coverage (now 20 years later and a very healthy 68).

    Run on your strengths, Democrats! Stand with the common people and against the a$$hole insurance companies. How can you lose?

    What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

    by TerryDarc on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:09:25 AM PDT

    •  I know all about this (4+ / 0-)
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      In 2009 my job stopped giving me health insurance because I was going into nursing school and for a few months I had to leave early and come back a lot.
      Then my dad got me a new plan (because I couldn't afford on my salary to pay for it) and it was really hard because of my asthma, which I've had from birth as well. We had to take a plan that wasn't very good and cost too much money. :(
      I'm glad Obamacare has fixed that.

      I love president Obama!!!

      by freakofsociety on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:16:58 AM PDT

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  •  This is quite an ad (5+ / 0-)

    Personal and to the point. I hope other Democrats use similar ads to defend Obamacare even in red areas.

    GOP: HANDS OFF MY OBAMACARE!

    by alaprst on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:09:36 AM PDT

    •  In the Red areas we can run on (1+ / 0-)
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      minimum wage and Medicaid expansion, as well as The Government Program Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned Saves Lives.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:55:25 AM PDT

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    •  Believe it or not, an ad like this might even (1+ / 0-)
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      work in Arizona.  When Gov. Brewer cut back on Medicaid a few years back, the media pointed out some nasty by-products (people were literally dying).  She had to back-peddle fast.  And I think the bruises from that experience are the main reason she (reluctantly) accepted the ACA Medicaid expansion.

      I think people in Az are now more aware that health coverage saves lives.  So, even our VERY RED state might swing a little purple/blue if health coverage policy differences are highlighted.

      Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

      by CindyV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 11:29:05 AM PDT

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  •  keep it simple (1+ / 0-)
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    run on defense of medicare and affordable care together.  Let the Rs struggle to explain the difference.

  •  Alsakans won't have to sneak to Canada (6+ / 0-)

    Bundle the kids in the car and take them to Canada for their check ups.
    Then, as Canadian taxpayers are footing the bill, crow about how "independent" they've convinced themselves that they are. Sarah Palin, anyone?

    "Don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive and go and do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive."

    by achamblee on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:14:41 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for this, David! (1+ / 0-)
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    More good news on a Friday, I love it!

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:15:08 AM PDT

  •  Little or no electoral advantage from Obamacare (0+ / 0-)

    Who should Democrats be targeting to change their vote, or to come out in 2014 instead of staying home, on the basis of the success of Obamacare?  The low-income people who will now be able to get insurance were probably mostly Democrats before, although they may be encourages to vote in 2014.  Most of the people who already had insurance will either see no change or increase in costs for one reason or another.  Republicans will be targeting these  people, complaining about how the "moochers" are getting more of a free ride.  Are Democrats going to be appealing to the altruism of the better-off who are not getting subsidies?

    Democrats have no alternative to targeting those who will be getting subsidies and those very poor (income less than poverty level) who are being denied Medicaid in some states, but it is certainly not obvious that Medicare will be a net gain for them.  Obamacare is also an incentive to turnout for the same middle-class Republicans who are always opposed to any transfers to needy people.

    •  Although Republicans hate "Obamacare" (3+ / 0-)
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      they love what's in it. We run on Republcans wanting to deny them that, not on the Republican framing.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:57:29 AM PDT

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    •  give it a couple months (4+ / 0-)
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      If the ACA approval keeps moving more and more positive, by November it will be a winning issue for Democrats.

      The message isn't "Obamacare rocks!" (although that's a fine message). It's "Democrats do things to make your life better and Republicans whine about it."

      Democratic voters have spent the last 30 years in a disenchanted stupor, waiting for their candidates to come up with a rebuttal to the Republican "government is the problem" rhetoric. Now we have one and it is huge.

      The ACA is a complex big government program. And it works.

      Obamacare is also an incentive to turnout for the same middle-class Republicans who are always opposed to any transfers to needy people.
      And I think the success of the ACA is a huge de-motivator for these people. Not only were the Republicans completely ineffective in stopping Obamacare. But now that it's here, it's clearly not the catastrophe they said it was. For what purpose did they spend the last four years fighting tooth and nail against this law?

      Liberals have always viewed the Republican ACA-repeal efforts as childish temper tantrums. But conservatives believed the dire predictions of their politicians. They believed that when 2014 came, the wheels were going to come off and we all would be plunged into chaos.

      •  Problem is... (0+ / 0-)

        ...with the media so segregated, anyone who is even remotely involved in the right wing media bubble won't even hear the news that it's working.  As far as their concerned, everything has totally collapsed!!!  How does one deal with a post-truth political system?

        "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

        by LordMike on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:46:03 PM PDT

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        •  There will always be dead enders but (2+ / 0-)
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          Democrats shouldn't be trying to win over rock solid Republicans who only watch Fox News and idolize Ted Nugent. It's the soft Democratic voters, the dead-center independents, and conservative leaners they need to convince.

        •  post-truth implies there was a "truth" period (1+ / 0-)
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          Partisans have always gotten their information from partisan sources. The news has always been biased one way or another. It was ever thus and will always be thus.

          We'll muddle through this time just as we have always done. Not perfectly. Not exactly wisely.

          The danger really isn't a misinformed public, we've always had that. The real danger is a public that's widely distrustful of the institutions of our country.

    •  ALot of republicans in Kentucky (2+ / 0-)
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      who were uninsured now have insurance thanks to Obamacare.

      How much you want to make a bet at least some of them will no longer be voting for the GOP.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:08:06 AM PDT

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      •  Maybe some... (1+ / 0-)
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        But I know a hard right winger on Medicaid.  He'll still be voting GOP.  A lot of these guys live in extreme denial.

        "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

        by LordMike on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:26:38 AM PDT

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        •  Imagine how fast he changes tune (1+ / 0-)
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          when Paul Ryan takes that shit away from him and his ass is on his own.  

          I'm sure some will STILL vote for the GOP even after that but there are some people who STILL believe that they were abducted by aliens and anally probed.  So frankly I don't really care if some loons still vote for them because there will ALWAYS be a 25% or so who will just like there is ALWAYS a 25% of the population who believe Elvis is alive or that Ukraine is in the US.  

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:34:32 AM PDT

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          •  I don't think he'll change his tune... (1+ / 0-)
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            He'll blame it somehow on the Democrats.  That's the way these guys think.  That's why Republicans are so dangerous.  They never face accountability with their voters.

            "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

            by LordMike on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:40:58 AM PDT

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            •  And some people will still claim Elvis is alive (1+ / 0-)
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              Sometimes you just have to write these people off as ignorant boobs and move on.  

              This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

              by DisNoir36 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:43:44 AM PDT

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            •  Agree LordMike - Even Though Republicans (Like (1+ / 0-)
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              Paul Ryan) would love to get rid of Medicaid  - somehow the Republican base always ends up blaming Democrats. I'm guessing many Republicans still think the meltdown in 2008 was caused by Obama (even though Bush was in office during the economic crash). The Republicans NEVER face accountability with their voting base because 1. their voters are stupid (and Republican office holders know it), and 2. Republicans are skillful liars (necessary to get the votes of independents, Conservative Dems and others who don't take things on faith, and have questioning minds - unlike their base).

              •  If I were a famous pundit... (0+ / 0-)

                I'd write a book about the "post truth" era of politics, since the GOP manufactures its own facts, figures and truths and gets away with it.  How we manage to combat this new age of propoganda is beyond me.  Any suggestions?

                "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

                by LordMike on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 11:20:30 AM PDT

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        •  Yep - There Is No Cure For Stupidity LordMike. I"m (1+ / 0-)
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          sure Mr. Medicaid bashes others for taking handouts, and rails against "government run health care" and "socialism" and (fill in right wing talking point here). And all the while, Mr. Medicaid is a beneficiary of those things he is trashing and voting against. These idiots simply rationalize their delusions -  he thinks he DESERVES Medicaid, but all the "others" (cheaters, minorities, etc.) don't deserve it, and are ripping him off.

    •  There is a way (0+ / 0-)

      Lack of health coverage causes suffering and costs lives.  Everyone has at least enough empathy to care about that when it hits them in the face (everyone except true nut jobs).  (If you haven't see this in action, check out what happened when Gov. Brewer cut back Medicaid spending in Az a few years ago.)  The NJs are in the minority even among Republicans.

      As this ad shows, it is possible to craft a clear, simple message on health coverage.  Once people see this, the next step it so remind everyone of the energy Republicans put into trying to block/repeal the ACA.  That should bring the message home to most people.  Voting for Republicans = supporting people working to revert to a system that results in suffering and death.

      Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

      by CindyV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 11:45:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I honestly don't understand why (0+ / 0-)

    Dems would expect to inspire turn-out and win elections by 'running on ACA.'

    It's the law. By, I'd guess, the end of May, it will be part of the background of life, in the way sales tax, sidewalks, clouds, and pizza parlors are. And every person in America will know whether it's a good thing or a bad thing for them by then.

    Granted, it's likely most Americans will be glad it's in place. But... now what?

    Because the Republicans attack it, we should be having their conversation? Again. After 30 years, we still keep letting Republicans decide what we talk about?

    Don't get the sense of that. "I wasn't going to vote, but the Repubs are just so mean, and I'm just so bloody grateful for what the Dems created five years ago. Just to show them!"

    I'm not getting why people think this is going to inspire voters to turn out.

    And then there's this.

    You can't offer a message simpler and more heartening than that.
    How about "We are bringing Jobs, Jobs, and more Jobs, decent Jobs, to every corner of this State (district, whatever)"?  With a concrete plan to back this up, ... well, I'd think that's how you'd inspire voters, no?

    After all, the continually crumbling economy is the first thing, has been the first thing, on the public's mind for going on a decade now. With no signs other than 'someday, somehow, it'll work out' coming from all of DC.

    Let the Repubs talk about repealing ACA all day and all night. We need, imo, to be talking about something constructive for the future.

    "Offer the voters what they need, not what they have" would be winning politics.


    When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

    by Jim P on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:47:54 AM PDT

    •  If we were bringing jobs, jobs, jobs (1+ / 0-)
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      we could run on that. If the public understood economics, and we could run on Republican policies that are preventing job creation, that would also be fine.

      You run on what you have, not what you wish you had.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:00:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Why not run on what the voters want? (0+ / 0-)

        Since, objectively, what voters want is some sense of economic security, why not have a plan to offer? And then point to, while offering a positive future, the Republican aim to keep jobs from happening in the US.

        Why aren't we setting the terms of debate, and not the Republicans?

        Running on ACA strikes me as just another Dem super-passive approach to winning elections. Who really believes a discussion about ACA is going to get the voters to come out?

        Doesn't make a lick of sense, if the object is to win elections.


        When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

        by Jim P on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:16:15 AM PDT

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        •  Polls seem to show that voters (2+ / 0-)
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          LordMike, Jim P

          believe Republicans understand the economy better than Democrats.  I can't explain why - only that this has been true for at least the past 30 years.

          So, if the message is that the economy is weak and needs fixing, Republicans typically poll stronger among voters.  Obama's election was a huge undoing of that long-standing trend.  I think the main reason is how well he understood what was happening and got out in front on the 2008 financial crisis.  McCain didn't seem to have a clue how to lead us out of that mess when the crisis was looming just before the election.

          Framing the debate around a weak economy now may help Republicans.  The economy, although still limping toward recovery, is showing signs of improvement.

          Security still needs to be addressed, and it's a much broader concern that could cause voters to lean Democrat.

          But I do believe the ACA is part of the security question - having health insurance is a form of security.

          Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

          by CindyV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:03:59 PM PDT

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          •  The reason why we won the economic question... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...in 2008 was a result of Republicans winning the economic question for so long, until the economy suddenly collapsed violently, completely invalidating their credibility on that issue.

            Since we really haven't revived the economy all that much, it's no surprise that the default answer goes back to their favor.

            "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

            by LordMike on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:43:58 PM PDT

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              I think that if McCain had shown the brilliance Obama showed during the crisis, and Obama had been as ill-prepared as McCain, it could have gone the other way.  But who knows for sure.

              Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

              by CindyV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:32:31 PM PDT

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          •  I mean no disrespect, but what you wrote (0+ / 0-)

            doesn't make sense.

            The Republicans are not running on 'lets make lots and lots of jobs' and I don't think anybody is stupid enough to believe they are. You ask Americans what they are worried about and Economy/Jobs has been in the top two, mostly at the top, for going on ten years now.

            I understand DC Conventional Wisdom is all about looking at the people like they're assholes, and manipulating appearances, and 'framing' and b.s. like that, but a hundred fifty million Americans are walking around with no money, no steady income, and no future, with another 80 million or so two missed paychecks from poverty. There's no way to spin that, or to ignore it. Not if you want to win elections.

            Hungry, anxious people aren't into the faux sophistication of how the economy is being framed. They're being screwed and nothing anyone can say, or completely avoid saying is going to fool them into thinking they aren't.

            The sad thing, implicit in the type of ideas offered about 'the stupid people won't understand' is the reality that the Democratic Party is not planning to offer any serious Public Works projects; any real measure to get decent jobs happening in the US again.

            That's not what you do if you want to win elections. That's not what you do if you care about the state of the nation. Certainly, fear of what Republicans can say is no sane basis to form our own strategies on. Make the Republicans afraid of what we'll say: Because if we say Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! they're going to look pretty sad saying 'ACA repeal.'

            Why don't the Dems want to win? Why don't they push the people's interests?

            I don't get it.


            When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

            by Jim P on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:44:23 PM PDT

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            •  Maybe things have changed (1+ / 0-)
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              in the way voters view the two parties, but maybe not.  A large swath of Americans tend to trust economists, business-oriented organizations, and business leaders to know how to keep the economy strong.  There is still a distrust of government as a jobs sustainer.  Historically, voters think of government as being able to step in to provide a temporary jobs boost.  But business growth is the long term jobs creator/sustainer.  And voters tend to believe Republicans are best for business.

              Even though the 2008 financial catastrophe was terrifying, Dems have had the lead role and haven't made any major improvements.  Many people believe the fact that we survived the catastrophe proves the economic model is ok (maybe needs a few minor tweaks, but ok).

              We can argue all day about how that vision has failed (and I agree it has).  But I think there is still a large core of voters that hold the "Republicans = good for business = good for jobs" attitude.  And those voters could turn to Republicans if they feel the economy is still in bad enough shape to need additional action.

              So, I still think our best bet is to focus on critical aspects of security where Dems are generally trusted more than Repubs rather than putting the focus on the economy.

              Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

              by CindyV on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:29:51 PM PDT

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              •  Democrats have been better for the economy (0+ / 0-)

                since the New Deal, except during the Clinton bubble and the crash he left to Bush. Since we do not campaign on actual economics, and our leaders have abandoned actual economics, I don't see how the public can trust us on the economy.

                Now if Obama had been constitutionally able to ignore Republican intransigence in 2009 and tell Congress to put through a big enough stimulus bill with no tax cuts for the rich under Senate reconciliation rules, we might have won in 2010, and things would be different today in the economy, possibly at full employment, and on women's rights, and worker's rights, and equal pay, and ENDA, and several hundred other measures that Pelosi got through the House in that one session and Senate Blue Dogs killed.

                And pink unicorns would fly.

                Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:24:31 PM PDT

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                •  Pelosi got it through the House, but Reid let (0+ / 0-)

                  the Republicans sabotage and sabotage and sabotage with the filibuster. Has nothing to do with unicorns. If Reid had not allowed the filibuster to be abused, we'd have had those things.

                  And Obama had every right within the Constitution in 2009 to offer triple what he did offer for a stimulus, that is to say the amounts his economic advisor and several elite economists (the ones who also predicted the meltdown) said was necessary. He also had the right to pick someone who'd not be an embed in Wall Street culture to be Treasury, etc. Republicans didn't make any of that happen.

                  It's really easy: The Democrats are losing races, fighting close races when they shouldn't, have lost the House and look to lose the Senate because they simply haven't offered any practical plan of hope for voters.

                  "We did one thing good for you five years ago, and now your spin into poverty is going to be made a bit more comfortable. And, oh yeah, the Republicans are very very bad."

                  How's that get turnout, and votes, for Dems?


                  When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

                  by Jim P on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:30:24 PM PDT

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                  •  Reid did not have the votes (0+ / 0-)

                    to kill the filibuster on legislation. He still doesn't. Nobody can even convince Patrick Leahy to get rid of the Blue Slip veto on judicial nominations.

                    Thus the unicorns.

                    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                    by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 09:00:30 AM PDT

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                    •  Reid did not whip the votes, and did not (0+ / 0-)

                      apply the carrot/stick former Dem Leaders (at least before Daschle), in concert with a Dem President, for decades would have applied. He's been pretty milquetoast as a leader.


                      When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

                      by Jim P on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 01:43:38 PM PDT

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                •  Agree completely on your facts (0+ / 0-)

                  Dems have been better for the economy.  But it seems voter perception is still out of touch with that reality.

                  It is an uphill battle with so much money being thrown into pushing an alternate "reality".

                  Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

                  by CindyV on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 11:05:40 AM PDT

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          •  Everyone knows the economy is weak. (0+ / 0-)

            That's not a message, that's what people are living in their tens of millions.

            If we offer 'Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! and here's how,' and the Republicans are talking about ACA not having a birth certificate, or whatever; if Repubs are saying 'we don't need the Dems job Plan'... well who gets the votes? Given that everybody wants jobs. Even people with jobs want other people to have jobs because they'll have money to spend at their business.

            We're not having a conversation, then, about 'the economy's state.' It a different discussion entirely.

            I'm not talking about manipulating public perceptions. This kind of Conventional DC Wisdoom is what's wrong with our politics.

            I'm talking about offering something real to the human beings. Something they crave.

            Winning elections depends on turnout. Turnout depends on people feeling motivated to turn out. Kids in debt for fortunes and, if they're lucky, a minimum wage job ... they have to have a reason to show up.

            Nobody's going to show up from gratitude for a law passed five years ago. Even with ACA, people don't have a future. I don't understand how a party claiming it represents the people isn't addressing the people's concerns. Why running on what people already have strikes anyone as a smart move.


            When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

            by Jim P on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:22:11 PM PDT

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            •  ok, I'm game (0+ / 0-)

              tell me what kind of plan you think will win the popular vote these days?

              Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

              by CindyV on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 10:05:26 AM PDT

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              •  Massive Federal Jobs Stimulus, (0+ / 0-)

                and best, something centered on switching to the Kinetic Energies, as in the long-proposed Apollo Project.

                btw, Germany recently had a month where all they needed was supplied by solar and tidal. And Germany, with something like 7% of continental US land area, and its southern-most town on the latitude of Bismarck ND, has no vast deserts.


                When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

                by Jim P on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 01:31:18 PM PDT

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                •  Sounds like a worthwhile (0+ / 0-)

                  message to include in the platform.  But when this is raised, some might doubt whether it is possible to move this type of legislation through.  After all, during the biggest economic crisis in 80 years stimulus bills were cut to a minimum.

                  And then from the right, politicians could claim that the Dems have been in power for 6 years and have tried this type of fix and it hasn't worked.  Yeah, we know they were stymied by an obstructionist congress, but there are plenty of people who wouldn't think that long/deep about it.  They'd hear the message and agree that it would be "more of the same" ineffectual stimulus approach that hasn't been working.

                  Honestly, I think our best approach is to point to successes and run on that message.  And on the message of preventing a gutting of things like ACA and on improving on past successes by bringing in a stronger Democratic lead.

                  Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

                  by CindyV on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 02:44:44 PM PDT

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        •  We have a Better Off Budget (0+ / 0-)

          from the Progressive Caucus that Democrats in Congress won't vote for. It can get about half the number of votes it would need. I would love to be able to promise jobs, but I recognize how conservative many Democrats in Congress are, and how cowed by Republicans.

          And so I say again, you campaign on what you have, on what Democrats have actually voted for, not what we wish they would.

          Once we have the House again, we can campaign against sitting members to vote for an actual jobs and infrastructure bill.

          It's like not running on Marriage Equality or repealing DADT until the public was tipping decisively, and welcoming the many Democrats and very few Republicans who then evolved to catch up.

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:16:39 PM PDT

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          •  That makes no sense. If you had an employee who (0+ / 0-)

            screwed up everything they did for you, who among us would say 'oh well that's the way they are and we have to live with the consequences, and that's just being practical.'?

            No one. We have to whip them into shape, or call the party's bluff that they are interested in winning elections. We don't have the House, and we're close to losing the Senate. That means at least two more years of being on defense, and losing ground.

            Well, establishments often get swept away practically overnight. I don't see why we have to treat our Representatives [sic] as if their mood and word is the end of the story.

            You want to win, you answer the questions: What do the American people really need and want? What wins the House for us this year? What keeps the Senate, even makes it stronger?

            It just isn't true that the Democratic Party is incapable of inventing, then advocating, a plan that gains votes. They just haven't wanted to, until now.

            But this isn't being played out in the DC Bubble world, real lives are at stake. Real futures for all our children are at stake. Nobody should buy into the Bubble-Vision and expect to see the nation's down-spiral get reversed.


            When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

            by Jim P on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 09:42:08 PM PDT

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            •  Kos recently posted that we have a fighting chance (0+ / 0-)

              to take back the House, based on recent polling.

              Dems lead generic congressional ballot, but Obamacare may decide

              We know that we can keep the Senate if we turn out voters in certain states.

              If we do both, I expect to see a jobs and infrastructure stimulus bill come out of the House, and a good deal more. It then depends whether some of the Senate traditionalists come on board either to use Reconciliation or to nuke the filibuster on legislation. So far, I think we are in agreement on goals, but we are not yet in a position to promise that we can pass a real jobs bill.

              I am arguing that we cannot campaign on jobs and stimulus in the swingier districts without a track record to point to or a clear path to passing it. Whereas on health care, which is happening right now, and is not merely something we did four years ago, we have a real, visible, palpable advantage, one that grows every day. The public is moving forward on the minimum wage, where there are real gains in local and state elections and bills passed for us to point to. Both health care and in increase in the minimum wage will create jobs.

              There are states where union rights and public sector jobs are major issues, but that does not translate to a national campaign.

              I would be delighted to see polling data proving me wrong about public mistrust on jobs more generally. Do you have any?

              In the meantime, we have several winning issues to campaign on, and I recommend that we campaign on them. But my view hardly matters. Many are already campaigning on them.

              Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

              by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 09:19:07 AM PDT

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              •  If we RUN on a Jobs Bill, we have the majorities (1+ / 0-)
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                we need all over. All it needs to do is a) be specific, and b) not depend on tax-cuts-for-hiring incentives. (That bit of madness we saw with the Stimulus and the President's job plan "higher someone for a 100% loss, and we'll give you a fraction of their wages"!?!)

                The only polling data relevant to the discussion is on 'what do people want?' And that's about a decade now of "Jobs!" at the 1 or 2 position. Not who they 'trust' more.

                Dems: Here's our concrete Jobs plan. Repubs: Tax cuts!

                What does 'trust on the economy' have to do with anything,.

                But if that's what you care about, how about this? As of 2008 it was inarguable that Supply Side Economics has failed, it's 4 Horsemen of Deregulation, Privatization, Trickle-Down, Free Trade each demonstrable as failures. Yet, the Democratic leadership has not issued a full-throated repudiation of these things. (Yeah, Obama has put down Trickle-Down in speeches, but the actual programs he's proposed assume they work. Words and Walk.)

                People are sinking, man. And everyone sees it. Telling them their ride down the sewer is, with ACA, a little bit more comfortable isn't really going to get voters out.


                When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

                by Jim P on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 01:39:10 PM PDT

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                •  PS: The thing with 'generic' is that it has never (0+ / 0-)

                  translated into actual election wins. Citing that is just Kos' attempt to make us feel better.


                  When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

                  by Jim P on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 01:40:44 PM PDT

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                  •  Generic polls necessarily precede specific polls (0+ / 0-)

                    in every election season, before the primaries. They are not dispositive, just indicative. Then when we start to get polling on specific candidates, we find out more clearly where we have to focus our efforts.

                    I recommend that you not speak for Kos on what he is trying to do in an election season, particularly in such a dismissive way. It appears to me that you are accusing Kos of telling us we don't have to do anything to win the House, which is very far from what he said in the posting I linked to. I'm pretty sure you cannot get banned, and you obviously should not get HRed, for posting such nonsense, but it certainly suggests to me putting you on my personal ignore list.

                    Even though I like your sig.

                    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                    by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:25:46 PM PDT

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  •  Except that is doesn't mention Obamacare, (1+ / 0-)
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    or the PPACA, or anything at all really, except that Begich fought Insurance companies. Not exactly "running on Obamacare" now is it?

  •  Not exactly "running on Obamacare" now is it? (1+ / 0-)
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    A-fucking-men.

    It's a nice ad, but I guarantee that a large percentage of those watching it will have no idea that it actually refers to the ACA or Obamacare.

    So in a very important way, it's typically gutless Democratic advertising.

  •  Harry Reid's 2010 reelection (1+ / 0-)
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    I credit Reid's Obamacare ads touting the closing of the Medicare Part D donut hole in helping him win reelection in NV-Sen in 2010. It's hard to underestimate the significance of this, considering how big of a hole Reid was in with Nevadans for years leading up to 2010 and the Republican/Tea Party wave that year.

    If fact, 2010 Harry Reid was really him at his best. If every Democrat ran a campaign that year like Reid's, who knows what might have happened.

  •  AMEN!! Any questions Democrats????!!!!! (0+ / 0-)
  •  Need one like this for PA 9th (0+ / 0-)

    Shuster's ads on TV right now say little more than, "I voted against it more than 40 times."

  •  It's A Good Ad - BUT It Should Have Mentioned The (1+ / 0-)
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    ACA in the ad (to counter the Tea Party/right wing lies about "Obamacare"). For example, the ad could have said, "I now have health insurance, despite having a pre-existing condition, thanks to Mark Begich supporting President Obama's Affordable Care Act. The ACA allowed Senator Begich to fight the insurance companies so we don't have to."  It gives BOTH Begich AND the ACA credit.

  •  People love stories about how. . . (1+ / 0-)
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    . . .people in unfortunate circumstances are helped.  Its the old, never fail, human interest story.  The ACA has provided hundreds of thousands of those stories.  All we have to do is unearth them and pour the dirt on the hole the Repubs have jumped into.

    If we are going to elect Democrats, lets elect real ones!

    by waztec on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:41:37 PM PDT

  •  You're Kidding (0+ / 0-)

    Most "liberals" are big wimps and to take a stand on anything even remotely controversial is just to scary for them.

  •  The Biggest Impediment (1+ / 0-)
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    to Democratic control of Congress and our state legislatures is lazy and apathetic Democratic voters. It's as simple as that. Get your asses off the sofa and vote so that we may take control of our nation out of the hands of corporations, the wealthy, the haters, the racists and the bigots and place it in our own for the good of everyone.

  •  ACA (0+ / 0-)

    imagine that, a red state like Alaska is happy over the ACA and its exclusion of that chickenshit and cowardly rule by all prior existing insurance companies to deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Heartless, cruel and unjust is their way - the GOP cares not for the citizens of the USA, but only for themselves and their own health care provided by taxpayers. Piss on them and go to the polls and make the difference or, lose the war against those who profit from poverty.

  •  Taxes are a pain, yes but... (0+ / 0-)

    When a People need more from the government they can expect a tax to cover the expenses. Not all will agree with the tax decision but if their needs are covered they have no reason to complain. Their wants are their problem.
    Unfortunately we find our country with too much poverty and far fewer rich that use their money to control our politics keeping many, poor.

    When a government cares more for the rich than the poor it is avoiding its duties.

    The rich have achieved their security and have much to play with. Some feel above the law and then change the law to serve their wants with the $$ they have to play with.

    We are now placed in one of America's most difficult positions with our vote; considering how many are trying to avoid a legal election.
    Is America going to step up to a legal election? Is America too lazy and stupid, as a Japanese diplomat, once called us?  We were deeply offended with that remark but how do we act?

    Everything America does depends on our votes.

    No country can be both ignorant and free - Thomas Jefferson

    by fjb on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 01:24:15 AM PDT

  •  The numbers on the ACA would have been (0+ / 0-)

    far more superior if the rollout had gone better and ALL the states had embraced Medicaid subsidizing.  I am willing to bet that if things had gone better in this regard, those numbers would be more like 12 million.  Let's face it; NO ONE wakes up in the morning and says..."Gee, I think I will go without Healthcare for awhile and see what happens".

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