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David Harris Gershon just posted this excellent diary reporting that Ambassador Rice Asked the NSA to Spy on UN Security Council Members. After such a long series of posts from Bobswern and others revealing that the NSA has spied on virtually every top political leader, UN officials, global organizations, etc, on earth I thought I'd tip and rec David's great post before going to bed, and make a quick comment like "Thanks David. At this point it might be easier to make a list of people or groups the NSA has not been spying one. That is if such groups or people can if fact be found."

Then thinking of all the people who complain and criticize those who keep "harping" on the "excess NSA surveillance" and warnings of the possibilities 1984 like loss of freedoms in the future, my quick quip turn into the following essay which I have copied here because tomorrow I'd like to elaborate on it.

I believe we are experiencing a significant failure of our Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee and that President Obama and the Senate should appoint a major Blue Ribbon committee to do a major year plus long investigation of our intelligence design and activities with the intention of a major redesign to be more consistent with the intentions and philosophy on which our constitution and government was founded, which our 9/11 consolidation unintentionally veered from.  

Without further comment, or editing, here is a copy of the comment I posted under David's excellent post for my archive.

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Thanks David. At this point it might be easier to make a list of people or groups the NSA has not been spying one. That is if such groups or people can if fact be found.

One aspect of this intelligence scandal that does concern me is the lack of any evidence that neither the President, nor any of the cabinet Secretaries, UN Director, top Defense Department Generals, nor anyone else seems to have thought to have requested that anyone spy on the NSA.

Is this not the most un-American of principles? If there is any one principle above all others that is one of the strongest foundation stones of our government's design, it is that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Notice the expression does not suggest, power has the potential of sometimes corrupting ... no, this corruption is like Newton's Law of Physics and represents a simplification of the common sense observation that all people, living beings, and systems that are made of such beings have evolved to seek to improve our survival and spread our progeny by pulling "things we perceive as good" towards ourselves" and evolved to push "things we perceive as bad" away from ourselves.

A natural and unavoidable consequence of our behavior will be that those with more power will distort systems around us to the detriment of those with less power.

The proper way to interpret "corruption" is more in an objective scientific way, not as a "normative moral way" although the consequences will also appear as "moral failures"   to those with less power as they perceive what happens as the more power arrange systems to their adavantage.

But, a more careful analysis will show that even the systems of the more powerful will suffer from imbalances of power in the long-term because of principles of complex systems that we see described in the mathematics of systems theory and scholars such.  One famous saying of W. Edwards Deming , that was one of the first things my father taught me, was  "when one optimizes a sub-system one simultaneously sub-optimizes the whole system."

And axiomatically equivalently, although it may sound counter-intuitive at first, "to optimize the whole system, one must deliberate, sub-optimize the sub-systems."

To understand this better imagine an engineer designing a car. If one "optimizes" or tries to make the strongest possible crash resistant finish, we could build it out of 8 inch thick steel at the detriment of weight, gas mileage and acceleration.

If we wanted to "optimize" or make acceleration and achieving the best possible gas mileage our most important goal we could make the exterior out of a thin plastic fiberglass, however, this would shatter at the slightest impact. One famous sports car had this difficulty, in fact. It may have been called the Corvette, but I this may be the wrong name.

So in engineering, one can never choose just one criteria and "optimize" it at the cost of all others, as we have done with "intelligence efficiency," design goals must be "traded off" against all the other goals of the whole system. No engineering evaluation and design can be done on one criteria along in "abstraction" but must be done on "prototypes" simultaneously with all other important criteria "on the table" at the same time.

Our founding fathers and mother some how recognized this principle even prior to its representation in mathematics and deliberately designed our government with offsetting powers with three branches of government. These offsetting power are a constant pain in the butt, and our founders knew this would be the case, but also know  powers offset each other, and an independent forth estate of a free press to monitor and limit the power of government.

This design is now threatened and undermined by a unified intelligence system with no limiting power.

Recent reports indicated the notion of a Senate Oversight Committee is a joke, that citizens can no longer take seriously, as Senators show little evidence of even understanding the issues at stake, let along any willingness to confront this vast intelligence system that has grown beyond the control of any government institution.

So I ask again, who will spy on the NSA?

The fact that we laugh and the preposterous idea knowing there is no power in the world that could even discuss this possibility with another person without the NSA knowing answers the question. Not even the President of the United States.

Presidents will come and they will go.

The NSA will always be here. And, there, and everywhere.

Listening, and watching.  

Spying on potential presidents before they get there. And, after they are gone. And, with all likelihood, even while they are there.

How would anyone know?

How would the President know?

One advantage of the old inefficient system of the 15 different uncoordinated U.S. intelligence systems is that they offset each other powers. If the President was ever suspicious that a problem had developed in any of them, he could the others to spy on the problematic one. What will we do if this situation should arise now? We already now from history that we've had a President Richard Nixon in our short history so far. And, it looks like we came very close to having a President Chris Christie. What would we ever do in such a circumstance with such singular consolidated power? What would the rest of the world do?

How would anyone stop them?

All power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It is not a matter of "goodness."

It is not a matter of "intent."

It is not a matter of "possibility.

It is like a law of physics."

In terms of spying and intelligence the NSA is all powerful. And, there is no power on earth that can match or stop it.

Do we wish to stop and think about whether we should have a limit to how much  power one institution or organization on earth should have? Absolutely? Relative to other organizations? If so, when and how should we do this?

Our founding fathers and mothers would find this to be tragically un-American and perhaps the greatest failure of their constitutional design beyond their imagination.

And, one I am not sure we citizens have sufficient power, understanding, and will to correct.  

Who in Washington, the The Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee, the President of the United States, The Supreme Court, our forth of the free press, and our volunteer citizen bloggers would claim to have such a complete understanding of these principles that we could reassure ourselves that our constitution, Bill of Rights, democracy, core American values, free press, free markets, and every thing that we value and want to preserve about ourselves is  going to survive this unimaginable and unprecedented technological explosion of computers, telecommunication, the internet, and the other sociological changes of the last 50 to 75 years - and which show no sign of letting up?

Is it not time to appoint a broad cross-section of experts, citizens, scientists, political leaders, journalists, scholars, revolutionaries, and others, to step back and meet regularly for some period of years to think as deeply as possible for some period of years to make sure we are getting this right? And, give them complete security clearances so someone other than the NSA knows what is going on?  

Remember, if we let this one subsystem choose all the criteria, for the "optimization" we will inevitably "sub-optimize" the whole system no matter what we tell ourselves about it, even it we write this phrase up on the wall and "worship it." I speak from experience because I have and knowledge of the principle alone did not save me from making the deadly errors.

Mon May 12, 2014 at 11:50 PM PT: Here is part of my response to Svincusi which may clarify part of what I'm proposal. And has a kicker at the end I'm pleased with.

Please note, however, that what am calling for is the President and Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee to appoint a Blue Ribbon Commission for a several year study - a commission that would presumably include every member of the Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee.

i am not calling for a revolution, or or for radicals to have secret night time reading of 1984 in smoky campus coffee house of liberal universities.

I'm suggesting folks start with our Constitution, The Federalist Papers, include some control theory mathematicians from MIT, some computer scientists from Stanford, political scientists from the Kennedy School at Harvard, maybe a few Pulitzer Prize winning writers from the New York Times, a few consumer activists maybe David Harris Gershon and Bobswern, along with the member of the Senate Oversight Committee even Senators Rand Paul, heck, maybe even Senator Ted Cruz, the Directors of the CIA, FBI, and NSA, maybe the Joint Chiefs, and sit down and explore, debate, and talk about whether or not we think what is happening with information technology, socio-economics etc, is still the best possibly implementation of our Bill of Rights and Constitution we can achieve.

And, at least several times during this two year study, they should all be secluded on some remote tropical island and fed marijuana brownies, magic mushrooms, or maybe even LSD (with informed consent of course) to make sure they have really looked at these issues, from every possible angle, and proven to the country they were willing to make any and every possible sacrifice to "protect and serve" the Constitution of the United States of America and all of the Values our Constitutional Framers intended we have enshrined withing in it.

Given that we were a band of anti-British rebels that just barely escaped be squashed by an all powerful, authoritarian Monarchy, and probably only because of the vast ocean made their intelligence function vastly inefficient compared to what we have now, I feel relatively certain if the constitutional framer could see what was happening now they would be horrified.

Because if the British had even 10% of the power the NSA has today, our revolution would have failed and we would all still be speaking English today and having a picture of the Queen on our money.  

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  •  Tip Jar (22+ / 0-)

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    by HoundDog on Mon May 12, 2014 at 10:26:50 PM PDT

  •  The world needs superheroes (2+ / 0-)
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    Dudehisattva...

    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Mon May 12, 2014 at 10:54:01 PM PDT

    •  Yes, we need to put up the bat signal ASAP. (6+ / 0-)

      Hey Dood that is such a cool pix you have in your profile I've become one of your followers on that basis alone.

      How is it that I haven't run across you before?

      I'm just winding down. I intend on checking out some of your writing tomorrow. I love those colors and can tell just from those we have lots in common even before looking at the rest of the pix.

      Cheers and thanks for commenting.  

      I didn't expect anyone to actually read this at 2:00 am. I just didn't want to loose it as I am going to look up references tomorrow from Deming, The Constitution, Bobswern, 1984, The Federalist Papers etc.

      But, I've been lurking here for too long. I've got to stop hiding in the shadows and step up to defend our Constitution from what appear to me to be unforeseen challenges.

      Others may disagree, but for someone who believes as I do, it would be wrong to continue to sit here in silence.

      Keep on truckin dude.

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      by HoundDog on Mon May 12, 2014 at 11:08:42 PM PDT

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  •  You act as if the NSA is this omnipotent being (3+ / 0-)
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    it's not, it's not invulnerable nor is it even alone in it's spying class.  Both Russia and China have immense spying apparatuses and openly attempt to hack U.S. systems, China especially.

    This doesn't excuse any wrongdoing of the U.S. but lets not pretend that we're the only country doing this because we're not.  We're just the ones who got caught because we're dumb enough to not make sure contractors don't do background checks on who they hire.

    •  Fair point. Let me think about it. This is just (4+ / 0-)
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      what I was thinking as I read David Harris Gershon's post Sviscusi.

      One reason I posted here rather than burying in my archives as I have done with dozens of similar reactions is that I want to work this into a serious essay.

      I do not believe any country in the world has any where near our capacity.

      For one thing our total defense spending is larger than the next 45 or so countries combined.

      That is just base defense spending that does not include several of the intelligence budgets that I suspect have higher ratios than that.

      Combine that with our technological superiority in computers and tele-communications and the U.S. lead in telecommunications companies and our intelligence penetration of them and I suspect we have substantial advantages.

      One possible exception may be the Chinese.

      One way in which our intelligence communities our different and IMO superior to the Chinese is the Chinese and many other national intelligence function spy in order to give their commercial firms advantages where as I do not believe ours does.

      I have known many from ours and without exception they have been highly professional.

      My biggest concern is not international issues, or that we spy more than other nations, and they don't have a "fair chance" LOL

      Nor is it with individual corruptions but rather "systemic 'corruption'" and by that I do not even mean of the sort we saw with J.Edgar Hoover, and Richard Nixon, although those are obvious proven long-term risks we need greater long-term systemic solutions for.

      The concerns I have are more subtle and I admit I have not explained them suffienciently well or perhaps even at all so far.  Which is one reason I posted this - to force myself to finally do it.

      So please be as critical as you would like and poke a stick at anything and everything you think is weak, strident, overly wrought, undocumented, not supported by facts, documentation, logical argugment, or represent claims or concerns out of proportion with any demonstrated threat.

      Or even, cases, where we have latent safety mechanisms that could come into play, if serious problems should arise that I am not giving credit to.

      Note that I am writing and publishing this, and no one has carted me away yet, (to the best of your knowledge.)  No they haven't.

      I'm completely free, doing quite well, and living a lifestyle, that probably 99% of people on the planet would envy.

      I've not being snarky here. Just honest.

      It's late, and I'm crashing. Thanks for commenting. But, please check in, because, I believe there are issues.

      Please note, however, that what am calling for is the President and Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee to appoint a Blue Ribbon Commission for a several year study - a commission that would presumably include every member of the Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee.

      i am not calling for a revolution, or or for radicals to have secret night time reading of 1984 in smoky campus coffee house of liberal universities.

      I'm suggesting folks start with our Constitution, The Federalist Papers, include some control theory mathematicians from MIT, some computer scientists from Stanford, political scientists from the Kennedy School at Harvard, maybe a few Pulitzer Prize winning writers from the New York Times, a few consumer activists maybe David Harris Gershon and Bobswern, along with the member of the Senate Oversight Committee even Senators Rand Paul, heck, maybe even Senator Ted Cruz, the Directors of the CIA, FBI, and NSA, maybe the Joint Chiefs, and sit down and explore, debate, and talk about whether or not we think what is happening with information technology, socio-economics etc, is still the best possibly implementation of our Bill of Rights and Constitution we can achieve.

      And, at least several times during this two year study, they should all be secluded on some remote tropical island and fed marijuana brownies, magic mushrooms, or maybe even LSD (with informed consent of course) to make sure they have really looked at these issues, from every possible angle, and proven to the country they were willing to make any and every possible sacrifice to "protect and serve" the Constitution of the United States of America and all of the Values our Constitutional Framers intended we have enshrined withing in it.

      Given that we were a band of anti-British rebels that just barely escaped be squashed by an all powerful, authoritarian Monarchy, and probably only because of the vast ocean made their intelligence function vastly inefficient compared to what we have now, I feel relatively certain if the constitutional framer could see what was happening now they would be horrified.

      Because if the British had even 10% of the power the NSA has today, our revolution would have failed and we would all still be speaking English today and having a picture of the Queen on our money.  

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      by HoundDog on Mon May 12, 2014 at 11:46:03 PM PDT

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  •  Well, I disagree. Power does nothing. (2+ / 0-)
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    Power is corrupt. The genius of the Constitution is that power is dispersed over the whole population, only to be assembled in time of need.
    The standing military is, therefor, a caution. However, they stand; they wait to be dispatched.
    The Congress is a caution because they do not represent the people who elect them; rather, too many, are interested in their own tenure in office and are driven by the lust for power, which, oddly enough, involves dissembling about where the initiative for public policy lies.
    Yes, the problem lies in Congress, which has ordered, authorized and paid for all the spying and collection of electronic data, mainly to intimidate the citizenry. It is also Congress which has engineered a systematic deprivation of the citizenry, again to promote their own tenure in office as petty potentates, rather than public servants.
    Finally, watching and being watchful is not against the law, nor should it be. What should be illegal and contrary to public policy is the capture, detention and/or expulsion of innocent persons, which really isn't anything but a variant of slavery, which, of course, was a core component of the original Constitution and put the lie to the commitment to human rights.
    Does it make a difference on which continent humans are seized and held against their will? The law is not inherently moral. Jesus Christ was executed according to the laws of the Sanhedrin. Pontus Pilate believed in home rule and washed his hands of the matter. The law is easy to use as an instrument of subordination. Authority, hierarchy and subordination are all inconsistent with the liberty of the person. Power is coercive and ipso facto corrupt. For that matter, cultivation or the imposition of culture is corrupt, both in agriculture and horticulture and human culture. The natural man is not inherently evil. Some, who lust for power, are.

    That Barack Obama does not lust for power is upsetting to those who do. Those who watch and wait are upsetting to those who act without thinking. Being watched means that the heedless act will prompt a reaction. There are no free hits in a watched community. Is that a deterrent to aggression? I think not, because the heedless simply don't think ahead. I suspect we have to worry less about the plotters and be prepared to call a halt to any assault. No free hits.

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    by hannah on Mon May 12, 2014 at 11:22:03 PM PDT

  •  Can't be done from inside the US. (7+ / 0-)

    The ball's in the world's court, now.

    Hopefully they'll rebuild the internet, starve the US telecoms and much of the tech industry, kill Dollar hegemony, and marginalize the US and its destructive foreign policy.

    Oh, and free the American people.

    •  You are quite a cynic aren't you Pluto. I've known (5+ / 0-)
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      your for 9.5 year now.

      Have you become more cynical over this last decade?

      I mean this honestly and in a friendly way.

      You may be correct. Probably are.

      At some level with things like this at a certain point I bail out of a purely objective viewpoint and find myself adopting a compulsively optimistic kind of "hey team, we can do this if we try, kind of attitude!"

      Maybe this all come back to "The Little Engine That Could Story" that my Mom read to me and I read to my own son, sometime almost in desperation, when he went through the "terrible twos," or the "terrifying threes."  Whatever it was.

      He is 24 now, so those old days are a distant blur now.

      But this compulsive non-objective "positivism" has always been a part of my basic personality.

      I think it is a compensation or maybe what psychologists might call a "reaction formation" to manage another part of me that is so ruthlessly objection and perhaps even negative that I fear I and everyone might just give up hope, or maybe give in to some demagogue like Bob Jones and commit mass suicide.

      So I've always understood where you came from but seem to remember you being more "playful" about our dire situations, like a "gallows" humor that I may overdo. But in the last year, I've noticed you seem "extra grim and dire.

      Was this earlier impression a mis-perception on my part or has your perceptions of your situation become more grim in the last years. I sort of drifted away after burning out on the 2012 elections.

      I'm always glad to see your name and remember fondly many conversations we had back during the dire times of the Bush-Cheney administrations, but have also been slightly taken aback at  

       Am I wrong about that you may seem ... maybe depressed? Or extra grim about our prospects?

      Sorry if I am prying or wrong about this. Do you mind if I ask? I've been fairly depressed for the last month, but one the odd quirks of my odd personalty is when I am depressed I tend to act happier to "throw people off the trail," so they don't ask pain in the ass questions like I'm dong now.

      Sorry, you can just say, "take a hike HoundDog" and I'll leave you alone.

      Thanks for commenting Pluto. I miss some of our old conversations where we used to agree on all the many reason Bush and Cheney, and the many other "un-indicted cospirators" should be impeached and prosecuted.

      Do you remember like in my first month her when Markos published a post entitled something like "Why The Democratic Party Needs ReAlignment Not Impeachment"  and the next day I wrote a post "Why the Democratic Party Needs Impeachment Not ReAllignment!"  I may even have used more than one exclamation points.

      I think that[s how we met, you may have been the only person on the whole site who recommended that post. I think that was back in the days of 1 to 4 numbers and you gave me the top rating!

      Those were the day, eh Pluto!  I definitely remember you seemed happier then.

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      by HoundDog on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:12:01 AM PDT

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      •  I came here to rescue everyone. (3+ / 0-)
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        •  It's a Hound Dog thing. (3+ / 0-)
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          Man's best friend.

          But sometimes you have to bark a lot.

          •  Hey, this is the Pluto I remember. Woof, woof! (3+ / 0-)
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            I'm so glad.

            I've been worried about you.

            So maybe it was just me projecting after all.

            I have been seriously depressed this last month.

            I think I'm coming out of it this last couple days.

            But, it has been painful. Teeth grinding-like painful.

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            by HoundDog on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:54:36 AM PDT

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            •  Let a sleeping dog lie. (4+ / 0-)
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              I am glad to see there are still a few dogs that can hunt here at DK.

              I have a hard time keeping the faith with what has happened to the US in the last couple decades. And well, I have to say, my perspective has changed and awful lot. I no longer want my children to grow up in the USA and I've made the sacrifice to see it through.

              Glad to know there are still a few dogs that are fighting the good fight.

              WOOF!

              This better be good. Because it is not going away.

              by DerAmi on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:25:08 AM PDT

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              •  I enjoy a good lie sometimes when I'm just laying (1+ / 0-)
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                around sleeping. Lying in one sleep while laying around is a cultivated habit.

                Let sleeping dogs lie is an odd expression when you think about it.

                Why are people always picking dogs. Is there really any solid scientific evidence that we lie anymore than cats or people?

                My impression is that cats are a whole lot more sneaky than dogs. Whether you like or not, you have to admit that with a dog, "what you see is what you get," generally speaking.

                With cat's, you really often don't know what they are thinking. You think you have a good thing going on and then "whamo, " its like "gggggeeerrrrrr" "swap" and one's nose is sliced into pieces.

                Sheeesh, why don't they say, "let sleeping cats lie" that what I want to know."  Or, how about "let's slide sleeping cats right out the door into the snow" where they can cool off and reflect on their behavior a bit before we let them back into the house?" There's a good idea for you, right there.  

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                by HoundDog on Tue May 13, 2014 at 03:07:51 AM PDT

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                •  Cue the "Mean Kitty Song" . . . (1+ / 0-)
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                  by lotlizard on Tue May 13, 2014 at 07:52:12 AM PDT

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                  •  Thanks. Yes, good question. Why are pooties so (1+ / 0-)
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                    mean some times. I wrote a heavy metal song once, "My pootie' been bad."  It's still for sell if you know any bands, that need material. Sort of has a Godsmack feel to it.

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                    by HoundDog on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:51:13 PM PDT

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  •  We have built a monster. (3+ / 0-)
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    I do not believe that we can control it.

    I am paranoid about this topic and so I will refrain from much further commenting so as not to drift in to CT territory.

    But then I did use the word "believe." I do not know how I could possible get any facts about how the system is really working. So how am I supposed to observe our democracy?

    There are limits to the powers of government in the Constitution. But now how can we confirm that the power of NSA is in accordance with the constitution?

    This better be good. Because it is not going away.

    by DerAmi on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:15:15 AM PDT

    •  I think as long as you preface any remarks, with (0+ / 0-)

      "I read somewhere that some people believe ..... " then you can pretty much say anything you want to and get away with it.

      That's what I do and I haven't had one HR in nine years.

      If anyone comes over and raises any issue, I just say, "Damn those people! I wish they wouldn't say things like that! It is so discouraging for us normal people."

      Then whoever it is that came over to complain, thinks I'm on their side and usually even recs my posts and even gives me tips.

      Its a great technique. It's called a "side by side stance" and is one of four basic "stances one can take in some communication course I took long ago, "Direct, Indirect, Side-by-Side, and Mirror"

      If anyone is angry, the worst thing you can do is take on a "direct confront" like for example "Oh, Yeah, you miserable shit, it's exactly people like you who are causing all the problems in the world so you should just shut the *&^$_+ up and take a flying *&&$ at a rolling donut."

      That only makes things worse, because then it focuses all their anger you. Psychologist call that "displacement" then you become the lightenrod."

      No, that's totally wrong.

      Did you know the most dangerous intervention for police officers is a domestic dispute? When intervening with an angry couple fighting the couple is likely to turn their anger onto the police officers, and more are injured that way than any other kind of call, or so I believe I've read in an article somewhere once.  

      With angry people, always focus attention externally on a third party, and express anger at that external and one will usually create an instant bond.

      This is basically what Sun Tzu noted in the Art of War and Mao Tse Tung quoted without attribution in his Little Red Book, saying the best way to unite a people is to rally them around a common external enemy.

      This was one of the purposes of The Great Walls of China in addition to the tactical advantage of being able to move troops swiftly along the perimeter achieving a force multiplier effect so that a smaller number of troops could protect a much larger territory and unite with others from remote regions to over power barbarians.

      So if someone complains about CT theories a good response  could be something like "yes, those *U)& dam miserable CT  bast&&% are really harshing my mellow and bringing me down. What the &^$E$?"

      "Do they have some kind of secret club where they plot these ridiculous theories out just to torment and aggravate us normal people to death? (I always like to induce a critic to join in denouncing their own criticism if possible, like CT critics agreeing CT nuts must be in a secret conspiracy has a  delightful appeal don't you think?) then continue you safety escape,  "You know I think I remember reading an article about ..... " and then you can say whatever you like. (snark alert. I'm just teasing folks - none of this is true. I wouldn't even think of doing something like this. really)

      In the like 2% chance that doesn't work and the person is still upset about you can just say "whatever... that article must have been wrong."

      Give it a try Der Ami ... My post don't have any rules about being on topic, or anything because I think most of those are silly.  This is a blog for goodness sake. If we can't have fun here what the point?

      Some people have so many rules and are so rigid about them but not me.

      I mean don't try it right here because people might suspect something, but wait for my next post.

      Hey try one of the Christie Watch posts. I bet we could have lots of fun over there.

      You could try some thing like "Hey, did I read an article someplace that Chris Christie, David Samson, Bill Stepien, Bridget Kelly et al. had a secret hide out some place where they used to meet to plan out devilish traffic schemes to annoy and aggravate he stew out of uncooperative mayors?

      Then I might drop in and say "umm, that sounds vaguely familiar

      (Humor alert.  Just kidding Der Ami.  It's 648 am and I haven't been to bed yet so I'm getting silly. I just made all of this up as a joke. You shouldn't do anything like this. Remember to look at my sign line. Nothing I say form this UID is true. This is all just pretend, for fun and humor. There  really isn't any "side-by-side" communication stance, and angry people don't really respond better when you divert their anger by displacing it onto external foci.)  

      Humor Alert! No statement from this UID is intended to be true, including this one. Comments and Posts intended for recreational purposes only. Unauthorized interpretations may lead to unexpected results. This waiver void where prohibited.

      by HoundDog on Tue May 13, 2014 at 03:41:46 AM PDT

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    the Watchers?

    Plato, or Pluto?

    I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

    by tom 47 on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:58:33 AM PDT

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      Humor Alert! No statement from this UID is intended to be true, including this one. Comments and Posts intended for recreational purposes only. Unauthorized interpretations may lead to unexpected results. This waiver void where prohibited.

      by HoundDog on Tue May 13, 2014 at 03:42:10 AM PDT

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