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The Obamacare "horror" story debunkings are coming so fast and furious these days, it seems like it's worth stepping back to survey the whack-a-mole field of lies, exaggerations, and misleading statements. There have been so many of these stories surfacing since the law was implemented January 1 that this compilation probably won't be comprehensive. But it's a pretty good survey of what we've seen so far.

The mother of all of them has to be the saga of Julie Boonstra, the Michigan woman who implies that Obamacare has threatened her ability to keep her doctor (her new Obamacare plan includes her current doctor) and who says that it's just too expensive. She'll have to pay a grand total of $2 more out of pocket—including premiums—than her previous plan. She's saving $6,348 this year on her premium payments. Her out of pocket limit is $6,350. Apparently that $2 was her tipping point.

Boonstra is a drop in the bucket of people willing to be tools of the Kochs and the far Right. For the compendium, head below the fold.

Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 10:29 AM PT: I knew I'd forget one. Thanks to Stephen Colbert and Patrick Steward for the reminder about those actors in the ads AFP is running against Mary Landrieu.

Last week we saw this one, an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal by Stephen J. Blackwood who says Obamacare took his mother's cancer drugs away because she was forced to change insurers. But there's a whole lot missing in the story, as the LA Times' Michael Hiltzik details. For example, was Blackwood's original insurance plan cancelled because it didn't meet the standards of the law, or did the insurance company use it as an excuse to dump a really expensive patient? That's a question in many of these stories about people "losing" their insurance that hasn't been explored enough. And the ultimate complaint, that the new insurance doesn't cover a cancer drug, isn't the fault of the law, which doesn't control what drugs private insurers cover, but the insurer itself. The Blackwoods are in an admittedly difficult situation, which they've appealed—to the insurance company—but it's not the fault of the law and it's not a new situation. Millions have been in this position before, thanks to the capricious health insurance industry and its profit motive, but without the protections of the law.

Here's one of those Koch brothers-sponsored ads that floated to the surface last week, about Emilie Lamb. She's an Obama voter and has lupus and is mad about her insurance; she says she's been betrayed by Obama. Lamb is a very rare lupus sufferer, whose illness hasn't yet drained her family's savings or made her go bankrupt, and who had pretty good coverage through her state's high-risk pool. Now she has great Obamacare coverage, for which she has to pay more. She picked a platinum plan—an expensive option that was her choice—and complains about the cost. Apparently that cost outweighs, in her mind, the benefit of knowing that if her illness gets much worse she doesn't have to worry about keeping her insurance or potentially going bankrupt to pay for it.

But that's just a drop in the bucket of debunked stories. They start way back last fall with a story CBS News ran about Dianne Barrette, a 57-year-old Florida realtor who was paying $54 a month for a Blue Cross insurance plan that got cancelled. More exploration by Fox News (!!) uncovered the fact that Barrette's cheap, cancelled policy was pretty much worthless, and Barrette herself came away from the story declaring Obamacare a "blessing in disguise." That was after she actually learned about her options on the exchange and found affordable insurance.

Ignorance is anger for many of the people in debunked stories. Like a cluster of them in Texas, that surfaced back in November. An intrepid reporter read a bunch of horror stories in the Fort Worth Star Telegram and did a little digging when the stories just didn't ring true with what she knew about the law. She found out that the people who were profiled were members of the tea party who had either actually found affordable insurance on the exchange, or hadn't bothered to look.

Speaking of not bothering to look, there's "Bette in Spokane," a woman Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers made famous in her response to President Obama's state of the union speech. Bette had contacted McMorris Rodgers to complain that her $552-a-month policy no longer would be offered. Whether McMorris Rodgers or her staff tried to work with Bette and help her navigate the site to find an affordable plan is unclear. But we do know that Bette decided go without coverage at all out of pure political spite: "I wouldn’t go on that Obama website at all."

We had Los Angeles real estate agent Deborah Cavallaro, whose story was highlighted by Maria Bartiromo on CNBC because she was losing her old junk insurance and who complained "there's nothing affordable about the Affordable Care Act." Turns out, she had a lot of affordable options available, she just hadn't actually shopped for them.

Then there's San Diego business owner Edie Sundby, who wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal about her plan being cancelled while she's in the middle of cancer treatments, all the fault of Obamacare. Except that UnitedHealth wasn't canceling policies in California because of Obamacare, but because UnitedHealth, her insurer, had so few customers in the individual market, it couldn't compete and was just getting out of that market. As it turns out, Sundby's cancer coverage is actually safeguarded by Obamacare.

We're not done with the Republican activists posing as Obamacare victims, though. We have Donna Marzullo and Helen DePrima in New Hampshire, appearing in AFP ads. Both are very active in the Republican party, and both have extremely vague and unprovable complaints about how Obamacare is hurting them.

Then you've got the exaggerated claims by House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) about how much his premiums went up, Sen. Tom Coburn's (R-OK) undocumented claim that he was losing his cancer doctor, and Sen. Rand Paul's (R-KY) bizarre and impossible Medicaid story, claiming his son was forced onto Medicaid against his will.

Add it all up, and you've got a big ol' passel of nothing, except a bunch of stories intended to scare the stuffing out of the people who most benefit from the law, the people with serious, chronic diseases who don't have to worry about keeping their health insurance and being able to afford their care ever again.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:18 AM PST.

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  •  Problem is, many people only hear the scary story (21+ / 0-)

    and don't hear the debunking.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:27:45 AM PST

    •  Particularly, if their news is filtered (10+ / 0-)

      through Rushbo and Faux News.

      With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

      by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:24:13 AM PST

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    •  The debunking will not be advertised (2+ / 0-)
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      CwV, never forget 2000

      Has anyone seen an ad in Michigan calling out the lies from Boonstra?  I sure haven't.  And it continues to play on TV -- it's not one of those ads that air infrequently and get pumped up by the media's reaction to it.

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      cmoreNC, TheOpinionGuy

      I'm not sure if anybody is doing this yet... but if not its a waste of a perfectly good "teachable moment."

      The republicans are pushing these lies HARD hoping that they will sway the public in the midterm elections. And any Democratic politician needs a snappy come-back to this. For your consideration, I'd suggest they use these lies as an opportunity to promote Obamacare Navigators. The line would be something like:

      You may have heard stories by Betty from Spokane, or Judy from Michigan. They were worried their health insurance premiums would rise and they'd get less coverage. I have sympathy for these folks, because shopping for health insurance has always been a hassle. But lucky for them, Obamacare has Navigators who can help you out for free! I called up a navigator at 555-123-1234, and using only family size and income, she found them better coverage for less! If you have the same concerns as Betty or Judy, please call the health insurance experts at 555-123-1234 to see how you can get better health care for less that you are paying.
      Probably could use some polish, but it dodges the "blaming the victim" problem that you'd have if you simply called them idiot liars with a political agenda...
      •  ACA (0+ / 0-)

        I have been to the website, through the phone advisor, and to an agent trained in the ACA. Because I am long term unemployed and cannot predict my 2014 income, I don't qualify for any marketplace plans. I am "too rich" (by a few dollars) for medicaid. Blue Cross yanked my old junk plan and gave me a much worse on--more money each month, and a $13,500 deductible. I CAMPAIGNED for the ACA. If you have any good ideas---readers or Daily Kos, let me know. I am desperate.

  •  Will there be a measurable backlash to Koch- (5+ / 0-)
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    elwior, Amber6541, Rogneid, ColoTim, shoeless

    generated propaganda?

    At some point, you'd expect the establishment GOP to actually, you know, FIGHT for control.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:32:17 AM PST

  •  Lying liars and the lies they tell. (14+ / 0-)

    by now it should be clear that almost anyone making these anti-obamacare claims is 1)lying 2)not trying to get health care 3)being used as a tool by the rwnjs 4)too stupid to know that their claims will be checked and wrecked 5)all of the above.  thank you for the time you take to keep us all aware of the mass campaign to keep people sick, dependent on bad jobs, and poor.

  •  The ACA merely offers an excuse (8+ / 0-)

    for practices that insurance companies have engaged in for years.

    “It is the job of the artist to think outside the boundaries of permissible thought and dare say things that no one else will say."—Howard Zinn

    by musiclady on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:46:05 AM PST

    •  Too true... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...not so funny anecdote.  When I was working as a temp during college for an insurance company in Alabama a man came in and handcuffed himself to the railing in the lobby.  Turns out his claim for a broken leg had been denied as a preexisting condition and he was upset about that.  Back then this particular company denied virtually every claim as preexisting when first presented.  John Grisham didn't make up what happened in The Rainmaker, he just pointed it out.

      After seventeen years in health insurance, I can assure you the things you hear are just the tip of the iceberg.  I'm ashamed to say I took part in some of those shenanigans, never giving a thought to the people being hurt as long as it made us more money.  It took a long time for me to see the light.  Too long.

  •  The operatives don't care if these stories (11+ / 0-)

    are debunked or not, just that they continue to get out there, as red meat to the Fox watchers...  They'll not hear the truth.

    We need to be louder and more persistant than the liars to get the story out to low information individuals who don't necessarily have a partisan agenda.

    I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Trayvon Martin a ride home to get him out of the rain that night. -Bishop G. Brewer

    by the dogs sockpuppet on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:55:40 AM PST

  •  How about the ins. co. horror stories? (8+ / 0-)

    I suspect there are enough of those to provide a week's worth of reporting, 24 hrs a day.  I'm going through one myself, although it's only a financial horror story of them refusing to take my money, then taking it and claiming they hadn't gotten it.

    I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

    by tle on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:16:40 AM PST

  •  Commies; Muslims; our own president &health care? (2+ / 0-)
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    shoeless, milkbone

    Damn!  Back in the day, our enemies were alot scarier....

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:18:43 AM PST

  •  The 'special Obamacare Victims Unit' is very busy (8+ / 0-)

    working the forward-ALL email.

    I knew this guy who knew this guy who knew this guy who knew this guy who hated Obamacare --- Forward ALL

    Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

    by 88kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:26:24 AM PST

  •  Once again a lie makes it (6+ / 0-)

    halfway around the world before the truth gets its shoes on.

    It's all about "make them deny it". We need to be more aggressive in shaming those who lie like this than the liars themselves. We need to stop being nice about it.

    liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

    by RockyMtnLib on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:32:31 AM PST

  •  I used to think people would start to doubt (6+ / 0-)

    their sources when they were so easily and quickly debunked by fact checking over and over again.  But then they either say, "Well..."  and leave it at that or worse, they claim the facts are a liberal conspiracy.  I actually had someone claim the Bureau of Labor Statistics was a liberal source and that Snopes was wholly owned by Obama when I used them to swat down the latest lie.

    Government works when you elect those who want it to. --askyron (2013)

    by Simul Iustus et Peccator on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 09:01:35 AM PST

  •  And someone really has to call out Tom Coburn for (5+ / 0-)

    being hoisted on his own petard when he and the Republicans made the entire legislative branch go on the ACA rather than the standard Federal employees health benefits.  That's right Tom, you and your friends work like hell to throw obstacles in the way of ACA and now you complain because you now have to deal with obstacles.  A case of Oklahoma chutzpah if ever I saw one.

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 09:15:56 AM PST

  •  It's hard for some to admit that Obamacare might (1+ / 0-)
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    The Old Grouch

    be a pretty damn good thing!

  •  She is getting her blood money for this (0+ / 0-)

    much like Jews did with fellow Jews in dealing with the Nazis.  After all, isn't Koch a German name?  They are just reliving their historical past.

    •  Umm, can we try to avoid invoking Godwin's law? (0+ / 0-)

      "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" -- (Talbot, in: The Maid of Orleans by Friedrich Schiller)

      by rfall on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:05:47 PM PST

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      •  Perhaps, but this is not inappropriate hyperbolic (0+ / 0-)

        claims.  I am making the connection of how these people go for the money or protection in situations that are against their best interests.  History has a way of repeating itself like the Ukraine and its past.  So my observation is one of a more historical meaning.  I am sorry if you are offended by my remark as you think that these folks in these commercials are just doing them for free and they are as accurate as toothpaste commercials.

  •  Health insurance horror stories are nothing new (0+ / 0-)

    They just aren't as scary as not having insurance at all.  Of course, if we truly had socialized medicine this wouldn't be an issue.  Until then (never), welcome to our world.  I always dread getting mail from my health insurance company-- bad news inside that envelope.  And they don't cover a lot of things I need.  The horrors of private industry-- thanks for pointing them out GOP!

    •  before this law none of us had health insurance (0+ / 0-)

      We maybe had coverage depending on whether we got an expensive illness.

      We were all paying through our nose with absolutely no protection from the vulture health insurance companies who would rather pay their CEO millions of dollars than pay the claims for their customers.

      Altogether immoral and disgusting.

  •  No good guys here (3+ / 0-)
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    The republicans offer us nothing in the healthcare reform area.  Their only contribution is to attack Obamacare and seek a return to the even worse old days.  As a disabled old guy who uses the healthcare system, my experiences have been negative.  Three prescriptions that I've gotten for ten years now are all no longer paid for starting last year.  Up until that time I paid $7.00 copay each.  Year one of "reform" the $7.00 went to $8.00, roughly 12% increase.  Last year, my share went to paying the entire price. Last month I picked up just one of these prescriptions for $32.00. Since President Obama cancelled two years in a row of COLA adjustments for Disability recipients and followed that up with another two years of just over 1% COLAS, he has reduced a very tight income while at the same time eliminating prescription coverage.  When I was working and healthy, this would have been an annoyance.  Now its a contributing factor to a noticeable decline in my standard of living as well as my ability to afford medical care.  Instead of dumping bales of money into the laps of bankers who wrecked the economy with reckless derivative trading the President ought to have spent the money on genuine healthcare reform.

  •  Justin Amash is betting heavily on ACA repeal (1+ / 0-)
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    in his early ads here in Grand Rapids. They are still acting like the early roll out problems have not been fixed. All the figures I have seen look good and news reports are either positive or debunking false GOP Koch ads.

    Now my question is Will reality bite him in the ass if he keeps it up. Same for Turtle Man in Kentucky, a great success story for the ACA since the governor cooperated. You want to find the "death panels" they are in the states that would not expand Medicaid.

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:12:36 AM PST

  •  Out and Out Deception (2+ / 0-)
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    RockyMtnLib, Texnance

    that could lead people to not get coverage and ruin their lives ought to carry liability.

    If what the Koch brothers are doing isn't illegal or exposing them to the risk of lawsuits then it should be.

    Remember to kick it over.

    by sprogga on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:19:52 AM PST

  •  I don't get it (2+ / 0-)
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    Texnance, Lashe

    Why can't the insurance companies be compelled to tell the truth and advertise that people didn't actually have policies canceled last year?  

    You best believe it does

    by HangsLeft on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:28:37 AM PST

  •  I think we are missing the point (1+ / 0-)
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    It doesn't matter to the Koch****ers if the stories they put on the air get more or less immediately debunked.  Low information voters will never hear about the debunking, all that they will takeaway is the meme, "Obamacare bad!"  I am very fearful about the Fall's elections on just this account.

    We need an affirmative advertising campaign, not just those sad little Facebook posts that OFA makes about insurance successes.  

    On the other hand, the Kochs haven't proved themselves very effective in using their money to sway elections.  Certainly, if they spent as much on a capital investment in one of their businesses for so little return, someone would get fired.  Not the Kbros, of course.

    Reporting from Tea Bagger occupied America

    by DrJohnB on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:32:02 AM PST

  •  talking to the public (1+ / 0-)
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    belinda ridgewood

    I think the real question is NOT why do people believe the lies of the right-wing media, but why can't the objective, centrist or left-leaning media convince the people who are so easy to brain wash?  

    •  Thanks for your first comment, susansas. (0+ / 0-)

      It is hard to understand, isn't it?

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      by belinda ridgewood on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 08:02:19 PM PST

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    •  They want to believe. (0+ / 0-)

      They are heavily invested in the Republican identity. Small government, family values, low taxes, conservative on social issues. So invested in fact that reality has trouble making a dent.

      I'm not talking about donations to the party, or even return on their support of that party, I'm talking about their own individual mental image of themselves.

      Self identifying as Republican and then having to admit that Republicans don't have the answers, and are in fact pushing an anti-American agenda, means coming to terms with the fact that they, themselves, have been backing the wrong horse for decades. That's not easy for anyone.

      Additionally, being afraid and blaming whoever you're told to blame is far easier than stepping away from the pack and doing a little research.

  •  Salon's Brian Beutler sums up the sickness of it (1+ / 0-)
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    in an article from 2-24-14 that Egberto Willies covered yesterday:

    AFP [Americans for Progress], and everyone else on the right “supporting” Julie Boonstra, are using her as a weapon in a war against herself.
    Of course, it's not just Boonstra who is being exploited in this way, and the sickness isn't in just using them in a war against their own self-interests, but in a war against the common good, as well.
  •  There's a theme here I just figured out. (1+ / 0-)
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    All of these Obamacase "horror story" people seem to believe what their insurance companies are telling them about policy cancellations.  And they seem to have complete trust in the insurance companies not to dump them off the rolls just to maintain their profits.

    Since when did we get to the point where anyone should have that kind of faith and trust in organizations who sole reason for existence is profit creation, and who have shown time and again they that will do anything not specifically disallowed by law to keep those profits maximized?

    "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" -- (Talbot, in: The Maid of Orleans by Friedrich Schiller)

    by rfall on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:34:25 AM PST

    •  It's unlikely that a pre-ACA insurance policy (0+ / 0-)

      meets all the ACA requirements for a policy just from the requirements of unlimited annual and lifetime claims, and there are other ACA terms such as pricing restrictions based upon age, deductible limits, birth control without co-pays, etc..

      So it is not a stretch for the insurance company to say they are discontinuing the old policy due to ACA.  At the same time, the insurance company might have made significant changes to their policies without ACA and cancelled the old policies - but we never get to see alternative universes.

      The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

      by nextstep on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 01:21:51 PM PST

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  •  To summarize the conditions which afflict each: (4+ / 0-)
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    Julie Boonstra:  inability to do simple math.

    Stephen J. Blackwood:  op-ed writer with an agenda and willing to hide facts.

    Emilie Lamb:  took out a lease on a Mercedes, and wants to compare it to the loan she had on the junker she just dropped off at salvage.

    Dianne Barrette:  honest enough to admit that her initial assessment was wrong.

    The cluster in Texas:  found good deals but were too cowardly to say so.

    Bette in Spokane:  cuts off nose to spite her face (which is not covered by insurance).

    Deborah Cavallaro:  too damned lazy to actually check things out.

    Edie Sundby:  a liar or an ignoramus.

    Donna Marzullo and Helen DePrima in New Hampshire:  "I don't have to prove anything to you--you have to take my word for it."

    The Republican ignoramuses in Congress:  but I repeat myself.

    "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" -- (Talbot, in: The Maid of Orleans by Friedrich Schiller)

    by rfall on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:48:04 AM PST

  •  This is the same as the Climate denial strategy (0+ / 0-)

    just keep making up lies and keep putting it into the lie dissemination platforms.  Reinforce it in the rightwing radio and faux news echo chamber, parrot it with republican talking points and have it lead in the discussion on the sunday morning news shows.

    It is an insidious and blatant false propaganda strategy.  one that is purely about political power and absolutely nothing except ideological positioning and political power.

    At very great harm to the population of United States citizenry.

    This is basically the exact same strategy that Hitler used with Nazi propaganda.  That is where we have fallen to!

  •  It's the Gish Gallop, ACA style. (1+ / 0-)
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    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 11:56:28 AM PST

  •  How about just pissed-off stories? (0+ / 0-)

    Had a fine plan with doctors and facilities I liked. Don't get to keep the plan. Don't get to keep the doctors. Will wind up paying slightly more monthly for plan with more restrictions, higher copays, much higher deductibles, and zero out-of-network coverage. Thanks ever so much, Obamacare.

    But now, to their surprise, thousands of writers, opera singers, music teachers, photographers, doctors, lawyers and others are learning that their health insurance plans are being canceled and they may have to pay more to get comparable coverage, if they can find it.

    They are part of an unusual, informal health insurance system that has developed in New York, in which independent practitioners were able to get lower insurance rates through group plans, typically set up by their professional associations or chambers of commerce. That allowed them to avoid the sky-high rates in New York’s individual insurance market, historically among the most expensive in the country.

    But under the Affordable Care Act, they will be treated as individuals, responsible for their own insurance policies. For many of them, that is likely to mean they will no longer have access to a wide network of doctors and a range of plans tailored to their needs. And many of them are finding that if they want to keep their premiums from rising, they will have to accept higher deductible and co-pay costs or inferior coverage.
  •  Whats weird (0+ / 0-)

    is that aren't these people embarrassed when they're exposed as frauds?

    KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

    by fcvaguy on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 12:14:54 PM PST

  •  The Only "Fair & Balanced" Network Is Fox! (0+ / 0-)

    It doesn't matter if the stories are debunked.  FOX watchers only watch Fox.  It's where the straight scoop happens.  Steve Doocy & Elizabeth Hasselbeck & the other blond ladies will keep repeating the lies.

    Every once in a blue moon, Chris Wallace will have an honest moment.  He just had one w/ that old car thief Darrell Issa.  He actually confronted Issa on his lie that Hillary Clinton told Leon Panneta to "stand down" in Benghazi.  

    Other than that, the lies are repeated over & over as Gospel....and there is nothing FOX watchers love more than the Bible unless it's the troops except when they come home & need help.  Then the toops are moochers & takers & welfare/food stamp recipients.  

  •  Debunking these stories is great... (0+ / 0-)

    but what is needed are ads on TV to get the correct info out there...

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abbey

    by SaraBeth on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 01:09:57 PM PST

  •  One Third Say Obamacare Personally Hurt Them (0+ / 0-)

    56% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare.
    33% say they have been personally hurt by Obamacare.
    Only 14% say they have been helped by law.
    56% of UNINSURED disapprove of Obamacare

    Yeah, keep telling Americans they are liars.

    You are the 14% of subsidy takers telling the 33% and the 56% that they are liars.

  •  kos debunking debunked (0+ / 0-)

    All these examples are rationalizations that if only these Americans believed in this with the blind fervor of the Lemmings at the Kos they would gladly bear the trouble caused by the law.

    Blackwood for instance is not a victim of the ACA, because insurance plans cancel policies all the time.

    Yes, true but the ACA ordered the policy cancelled. The carrier had not cancelled this policy in all previous years since diagnosis and by law could not cancel due to the claims experience or preexisting conditions as implied by ACA supporters.

    The irony here is that ACA professes to prevent that which it actually precipitates.

    All her defenders chose to ignore examples of this fact like Blackwoods

  •  Why Would Anybody Ever Believe an R? (0+ / 0-)

    The R's need to get a cocoon and transform into something that doesn't lie.

  •  Can someone help me out on this one? (0+ / 0-)

    I just saw this on Facebook and I'd like to respond, but only if I have a rock-solid, fairly simple refutation.

    The article claims that because of changes/cuts to Medicare home health care coverage imposed by the Affordable Care act, this woman is forced to go into a nursing home rather than stay in her home.

    Here's the link.

    Note that the name of the website is one clue that the story might not be completely... let's be generous... unbiased.

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